Originally Posted by Rocketiii (Post 880074)

The same here, but for different reasons. I don't approve of the public comments of one lec against another. But I don't care that he mentions the positives of cal in the integration. Do you all really think it's not being hammered out just like that in negotiations? What is wrong saying that cal has the massive presence in the world's largest population center? I'm sorry he didn't recognize uals hold on Denver :( as was posted earliar. I haven't posted much so the kumbaya can chant on, but this is a business. We have a ton of ****ed off pilots and I have no problem with a guy from jersey rallying the troops like union guys from jersey do. I'm sorry you guys don't like it, but until we have a sLi and jcba then I am still in one part of this group of cal guys. And I want my guys busting ass to get me the best deal possible. And just as many ual guys on this forum have opinions that sound ridiculous to cal guys. For instance referencing how good you and your contract was a decade ago and the implications of that or ratio of widebodies now that you guys lost scope. We laugh about that but ual guys get fired up. "don't say we have old airplanes, don't say we have miserable morale and customer service...". I'm getting a little fed up with the group hug stuff. I hold zero animosity towards any ual guy and I agree we must fight together force jcba. But the comments about our scabs when y'all have plenty also is just naive. If you want to talk about a napoleon complex, take a look at how every positive post about cal is taken as some sort of implied bash of ual. We are independent contractors til we are operationally merged. If you all are so worried about our group fighting tooth and nail for every seniority spot, then you better call your negotiators and tell them to step up their aggressiveness because I guarantee our guys are fighting like hell. And if I was on your side, I'd be upset if my group wasn't fighting that way. I'm not going to be flamed for not patting everyone on the ass here or not promoting unity. We are the ones that have to go to work and say calxxx in united livery, take pictures in front of our airplanes before they say united on them,have to tell people it's ok when they say sorry to hear about the end of continental, or hear jokes about how the service will deteriorate to a ual level now. Those are facts. That is the report from the line. I will be a united pilot when I have a number on the list, a jcba and a united callsign. Until then I want my guys fighting for me. Just as i assume you want. And I don't apologize for saying us, our, united or cal. That is needed for clarity. Let's all keep the napoleon complexes in check on both sides. Cal was in great shape with a great fleet and healthy, growing and advancing it's employees. There is nothing to apologize for there and that doesn't make this a post of ours is bigger. You all have plenty to be proud of too. But right now we each have negotiators busting their butts for our individual butts. And I wouldn't have it any other way. Time to be big boys and not be so sensitive. Oh yeah, kumbaya. Let's see how much kumbaya there is if the list doesn't go the way y'all want. We all are fighting for what we feel is right. Or at least supporting those who are fighting for us. :). Be proud of your side and fight like hell for your seniority number. Cheers. And this post wasn't a response totally to the quoted pilot and typed on iPhone

Originally Posted by Rocketiii (Post 880408)

Why would a Continental EWR Rep respond to an email from you? Just curious. Also, what did you ask him?

Originally Posted by Lambourne (Post 880468)

Why? Because I thought what he wrote was seriously flawed and presented a divisive stance. Also, it was requested by CONTINENTAL pilots in this very thread that I should contact him directly and nit just disparage him without seeking his reply. So, as requested I wrote to him. The first try was email that bounced. The second was via the PM function of this website. I didn't know he was CAL EWR until intrepid pointed it out. He has been online since the message was sent and has chose to ignore the request. My question to him was could he explain why he chose what he decided to put into print?

Jayson does not negotiate the SLI. That is up to people other than himself. He should let those appointed to the respective committees do their job and he can continue doing his day to day council work. He is creating expectations that may or may not be realized. This guy is a loose cannon and obviously a rank amateur in how to communicate from his position. He did not make the negotiations about ALL UCAL pilots vs UAL, he decided to make it about the EWR domicile vs UAL. If I was a IAH pilot I would be miffed that he chose to create the thinking that the only part of CAL that was worth anything was EWR. I don't just pin this on Jayson alone. The other two officers signed also. They are just as responsible.

Again I hope I get a chance to share a very brief conversation with them on their commutes home, on the last flight, that's full, on Christmas eve........

L

Originally Posted by Lambourne (Post 880468)

Why? Because I thought what he wrote was seriously flawed and presented a divisive stance. Also, it was requested by CONTINENTAL pilots in this very thread that I should contact him directly and nit just disparage him without seeking his reply. So, as requested I wrote to him. The first try was email that bounced. The second was via the PM function of this website. I didn't know he was CAL EWR until intrepid pointed it out. He has been online since the message was sent and has chose to ignore the request. My question to him was could he explain why he chose what he decided to put into print?

Jayson does not negotiate the SLI. That is up to people other than himself. He should let those appointed to the respective committees do their job and he can continue doing his day to day council work. He is creating expectations that may or may not be realized. This guy is a loose cannon and obviously a rank amateur in how to communicate from his position. He did not make the negotiations about ALL UCAL pilots vs UAL, he decided to make it about the EWR domicile vs UAL. If I was a IAH pilot I would be miffed that he chose to create the thinking that the only part of CAL that was worth anything was EWR. I don't just pin this on Jayson alone. The other two officers signed also. They are just as responsible.

Again I hope I get a chance to share a very brief conversation with them on their commutes home, on the last flight, that's full, on Christmas eve........

L

Originally Posted by ualratt (Post 880465)

From Napoleon himself!!

Originally Posted by Rocketiii (Post 880489)

I don't work Christmas eves, .....

Originally Posted by Lambourne (Post 880396)

Intrepid,

Thanks for the link to Jayson. Unfortunately like most ALPA guys I have known over years he didn't respond. I sent him questions regarding the update and so far he has chosen not to reply. Not surprised that he has chosen not to respond. It is far too typical of the average union blowhard.

The big frustration I have is that you, myself and the others are probably the ones that have realistic ideas. The ALPA clowns all fancy themselves as some type of geniuess and want to prove how wonderful they are even if it is to the detriment of the pilot group. Over the years I have looked at most of our ALPA leaders as those that weren't good enough to make it in the ranks of management. They all don't want to fly and want to presume they have a special skill set to be a union "manager". They live for trip drops, expense accounts and the thought that they are somehow respected. Some of the worst pilots I have ever flown with were ALPA reps.

While some see it as kumbaya it will be up to the rest of us to see through the ALPA BS and get along. I still haven't figured out why I have to pay an assessment to protect me in an ALPA to ALPA merger. Isn't that something ALPA sells to prospective carriers they are trying to woo, merger protection? They can not even trust themselves to run a merger between two represented pilot groups! That should be a huge warning sign to their incompetence.

Good luck to us all.

L

Originally Posted by Lambourne (Post 880468)

Again I hope I get a chance to share a very brief conversation with them on their commutes home, on the last flight, that's full, on Christmas eve........

L