I just want to get this done so we can all benefit from a better contract asap. We(CAL) need the better work rules in a bad way while we ALL need the hourly wages to return to UAL 2000 rates.

Banded or unbanded pay rates will, I would think, have very little affect the average pilot during the SLI. Most pilots I know believe the list will go to binding arbitration and they will fall within 1-2% on the new list as they are on their current list. Two MECs fighting over compensation does not bode well for anyone.

If UAL is saying they will NOT rely on JCBA wage rates as a basis for SLI integration then what is CALs problem...someone explain why CAL MEC "has refused our repeated requests for a similar agreement". Who gives a crap what the 747s make..they will not be used for SLI and will probably be gone before too long anyway. This is insane!

The UAL MEC and the CAL MEC. If each didn't deem it germane to the SLI process, it wouldn't be an issue. Just ask the banded B-747/777 guys @ DAL, vs. the unbanded A-330 top 500 pilots @ USAirways.

Funny how there's no mention that the JOINT negotiating commitee has come up with a section 3 proposal that they agree on?

Believe that it was stated in earlier communications that the JNC had passed on to the MECs their section 3 plan.

My thoughts as well...though I guess the company could have given us proposals on everything without us actually giving the company a section 3 proposal first?

I would think they could establish a pre-JCBA "snapshot" of our payrates/bands (just like seniority lists) for purposes of the SLI that ignored 747/777 payrates in the JCBA. Then the expectations argument cannot use the new rates.

I would also think separate pay benefits everyone once we get beyond the SLI issues...though, maybe not a whole lot if the whale goes away...
Pay banding is a concessionary era development, is it not?

So the JNC passed sxn 3 to the MEC's, and the MEC's have received proposals on everything (incl sxn 3) from the company. Have the MEC's agreed on sxn 3? It sounds like not...

Superfluf asked if the JNC had passed on section 3 to the MECs. I believe I have read they did but the two MECs (apparently) did not agree with whatever they recommended.

I'm all for the 747's being paid the highest as long as there aren't any fences around them. :D

What that letter doesn't address is that the UAL MEC passed a resolution mandating that it pay the highest, not the other way around. As far as I know the joint NC came up with an agreed upon section 3 and the UAL MEC shot it down, not CAL's.

Facts are a tricky thing as my buddy Coto likes to point out.