I answered your question...Care to shed some light on the questions I just asked?

What part of "out of pure curiosity" is not registering???

I asked a benign question as to who you work for, and you gave me a minor resume of your accolades. I am not here to play charades with you. I merely asked a question....nothing more, nothing less!

As far as answering your 'questions', or taking your opinion as "fact".....I believe I was more than clear on how I will go about this issue and let those who are a 'bit more qualified' (let the legal council interrupt the language) to make those decisions in direction that my Union/MEC will follow....just so there's no confusion, that would be CAL ALPA. It appears that your are looking for answers, did you fail to read what I wrote to YOU earlier concerning this issue during the course of the thread?? If you 'missed' that, I'll cut-n-paste it for you.....

So you admit you don't know if it is a violation yet, and you admit that you aren't an expert in this issue...YET you and some of your cohorts have already tried and hung the Skywest pilots and have threatened them with "lists" and jumpseats.

In other words, READY, FIRE, AIM....Got it.....

Come on Joe.....

If your going to attempt to 'twist' my words, please don't do it when I have the quote in B&W for you to compare side-by-side. Telling "half truths" (or quotes in this case) as to what I say is NOT the way to win friends/or confidence.

It only hurts your credibility pal.

Sorry SoCalGuy, I guess I did lump you in with your cohorts. It's hard to keep track of everyone, and most of your fellow pilots on this board and on FI board fit what I typed.

That being said, I do think you too are ready to pull the trigger when your MEC sends out the marching orders. The other half of your MEC, United, has publically cautioned your MEC. That tells me even they have reservations about the validity of whether or not this is a violation....Wendy isn't a fan of us and would take glee in joining the attack on us. I suspect they have looked at this as I have and don't see the violation.

I apologize for lumping you in, but I don't apologize for attacking those of your fellow pilots who are attacking the Skywest pilots...

UAL is not the 'other half' of the CAL MEC! We are both stand alone entities and CAL has every right to do what's in their best interest. The UAL pilots will support them 100% -- especially when it comes to scope and preventing any further outsourcing of OUR flying.

If you're referring to the Wendy Morse quote from a previous post, you've taken it out of context. She was referring to the 'standoff' over pay structures and the alleged comments made by Capt Baron to the UAL MEC. If she has made some other public caution to the CAL MEC over this issue, please point it out so I can make a few phone calls and voice my displeasure....

Interesting thing I just thought of...


Are any of the United guys getting up in arms about the Colgan Q400's (with 76 seats I believe) being flown ORD-CLE. Isn't that a clear violation of United's scope??


No, of course they aren't. The Q400's are allowed under CAL's scope clause.


When we do sign a JCBA, odds are that all the current regional aircraft will be grandfathered in, or the scope clause will be a mix of what it is at the two carriers today (allowing some 70 seat jets and some 76 seat turboprops). But until we sign the JCBA, I don't think we have any leverage in complaining. The fact is that the company is operating within United's scope clause by operating the Skywest 70 seaters, and the company is within Continental's scope clause by operating the Colgan 76 seaters.

Thanks for pointing this out, I will ask my LEC rep about this! If it is a violation (or anywhere close) to our scope then we SHOULD be raising hell! I honestly don't know the answer since we haven't had to deal with large Turbo Props.

FWIW, you ALWAYS have the right to complain when you're contract is being violated. You win some and lose some, but it's always a lengthy process to get resolution. A 'win' could give extra leverage for other things.... A loss could backfire and make the contractual fix more costly... Or the entire issue may be OBE.

Very good point!

You are mixing apples and oranges here. The quotes you are using are not even referring to the same issue.