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bearcat 11-18-2010 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 903387)
That's exactly what I was thinking as well.

Glad you are finding our pilots hospitable. I've found the same with the CAL pilots. Very gracious.


+1 from the CAL side. Don't let the opinions of a few on a forum persuade you to believe one thing or another.

EWRflyr 11-18-2010 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by tailwheel48 (Post 903106)
The rumor is that UAL will be picking up some Latin and S.American (maybe even Asian) flying out of IAH. I think the issue is addressed in the TPA and as long as block hours remain at a constant ratio, they're in compliance.

This was bound to happen sooner or later!

Per the T & P A:

"In each consecutive six (6) month period during separate operations beginning on the Merger Closing Date, the ratio of aircraft block hours
scheduled to be flown by United to the aircraft block hours scheduled to be flown by Continental, will equal or exceed ninety percent (90%) of the same ratio for the same six (6) month period during the period May 1, 2009 through April 30, 2010
(excluding United’s 737 scheduled aircraft block hours during the period May 1, 2009 through April 30, 2010). The applicable scheduled aircraft block hours for the period May 1, 2009 through April 30, 2010 are shown in Attachment C."

The ratio doesn't have to stay the same as it can go down to as low as 90% of the premerger ratio.

13n144e 11-18-2010 10:29 PM


Originally Posted by EWR73FO (Post 903136)
How much flying can you continue to swap if CAL is adding block hours and adding pilots while UAL is not? This will become rather uneven rather quickly.

Won't matter for two reasons; (a) TPA expires July 2011. (b) They'll be outsourcing everything to Skywest by then.

pipe 11-19-2010 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by 13n144e (Post 903613)
Won't matter for two reasons; (a) TPA expires July 2011. (b) They'll be outsourcing everything to Skywest by then.

Hey - one guy sees what's happening. Scope is circling the drain via the "end sweep" happening right now. Skywest 76 seater base at IAH. Republic/Shuttle America 76 seater base at EWR.

Why aren't the MEC chairmen seeking injunctions against this until a JCBA is reached?

PIPE

ewrbasedpilot 11-19-2010 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by pipe (Post 903892)
........Why aren't the MEC chairmen seeking injunctions against this until a JCBA is reached?

PIPE

I'll tell you why............because they are too busy working on greivances filed years ago concerning miniscule payclaims and crap like that. And management KNOWS it takes FOREVER to get anything done if they violate our contract, so they have NO fear of retribution for YEARS. Sad, isn't it?:(

EWRflyr 11-19-2010 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by pipe (Post 903892)
Hey - one guy sees what's happening. Scope is circling the drain via the "end sweep" happening right now. Skywest 76 seater base at IAH. Republic/Shuttle America 76 seater base at EWR.

Why aren't the MEC chairmen seeking injunctions against this until a JCBA is reached?

PIPE

If it matters, even a little:

From this week's CAL MEC update:

"Finally this week, the scheduling and procedures for the expedited arbitration on the Scope violation have been finalized. The hearing will be held the second week of December, with a decision rendered no later than Dec. 30, 2010, well prior to the flight start dates."

13n144e 11-19-2010 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by pipe (Post 903892)
Why aren't the MEC chairmen seeking injunctions against this until a JCBA is reached?
PIPE

While I would love to see an injunction filed, frankly I'm nearly ecstatic that we're doing something. The expedited grievance has a Dec. 30 resolution deadline - well prior to the start of proposed flying that is in violation - and picketing just prior to Thanksgiving. This may be the most we can do right now thanks to the RLA and if there's any justice in the world the arbitrator will see it for what it is - a clear violation of our scope. But at the very least I hope it sends a message to Smisek and co. that we're serious about fighting outsourcing - in both our current contract and the next - and without discussion the only 70+ seat flying to be done will be done by UAL pilots.

HSLD 11-19-2010 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 903087)
I'm out in the middle of nowhere with limited Internet and no Transition agreement;

Here's the TA:

velosnow 11-20-2010 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by EWRflyr (Post 903993)
If it matters, even a little:

From this week's CAL MEC update:

"Finally this week, the scheduling and procedures for the expedited arbitration on the Scope violation have been finalized. The hearing will be held the second week of December, with a decision rendered no later than Dec. 30, 2010, well prior to the flight start dates."

Good to hear. Please trust me when I say that the vast majority of my fellow SkyW guys/gals are not overly pleased in being used as pawns in this mess. Every pilot I have talked to supports you guys in this mess.

From the outside looking in, I hope ya'll can come together in a big way and get this JCBA done quick in an amiable way. I know that the new UAL/CAL is not without its issues (ride in JS every week from DEN-ORD) but man I still dig that company. Hold on to that scope and keep fighting the good fight.

Just one regional guys perspective. Cheers-

SUPERfluf 11-20-2010 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by 13n144e (Post 903613)
Won't matter for two reasons; (a) TPA expires July 2011. (b) They'll be outsourcing everything to Skywest by then.

The TPA expiring in July is bad for the UAL side of the house.

CAL has block our protections built in to our contract, section 1 merger and fragmentation clause, UAL does not so the expiration of the TPA would not protect UAL's flying. After the TPA expiration, the CAL pilots could refuse to fly any shifting of flights that is beyond what the TPA specified, but I don't know if that would be legal and thus mgmt could get an injunction?

So lets hope that we get a JCBA before then or an extension of the TPA when we vote down the first JCBA TA.......

Happy to see that we're finally allowing the JNC to do its work without EITHER MEC meddling in the process so that maybe we'll at least have a TA to vote down by July.


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