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N9373M 02-04-2011 02:08 AM

I think there are HOOTERs restaurants in all of those cities. Oh, wait it says HDQRTS, nevermind.

threeighteen 02-04-2011 02:10 AM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 941184)
Not Denver. The way I connect the dots UAL has minimal long term interest in Denver.

How do you figure?

It's possibly the most efficient airport in the country, and still has room to more than double its current capacity.

Boneman 02-04-2011 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by threeighteen (Post 941816)
How do you figure?

It's possibly the most efficient airport in the country, and still has room to more than double its current capacity.

Why not? CAL used to have its HQ in Denver. It would just like the good old days before Audrey.

oldmako 02-04-2011 07:43 AM

1. We've done nothing but shrink in Denver, it's an expensive airport.

2. We've given a ton of our feed to the RJs.

3. United's RJ end of the concourse is a cramped, noisy, dirty disgrace, much like the F-Con in ORD. We're surely losing passengers to SWA and FRNT as a result.

4. No SWA passenger ever flew on an RJ. And FRNT's Airbi are even more comfortable than a guppy. PAX with no interest in loyalty programs will book a flight on a larger plane ten times before they'll book one on an RJ. I see steady passenger erosion as a result. Color me pessimist.

4. If fuel continues it's wild swings (and why won't it?) then eventually FNRT will succomb to SWA. They have been down to a few days operating cash how many times in the last 5 years?? SWA loves to move in, pick the low lying fruit and position themselves to feast on the carcass. Think BWI. This will allow them to increase their mass and that's not good for UAL/DEN.

5. International flying is best done from cities closer to the coasts. I recall reading that Tilton and Smisek have said that UAL wants to expand international ops. I can't see that in happening in DEN with EWR, IAD, LAX, HOU and SFO next to water, and ORD in the middle. Plus, United used to serve another (tiny) International airport in the New York area which could handle some EWR overflow. Nah...what am I smoking?

I hope I'm wrong. That's just the way I see it. Others smarter than I have already opined on this topic on the old board. Perhaps they will add their two cents.

C11DCA 02-04-2011 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot (Post 941763)
See, that's the difference between you and I. You couldn't give a rats ass, whereas I do. When they spend an absolute fortune moving our ops from IAH to ORD, then you'll complain there's no money left for YOU to get that nice hefty pay raise. I'm just wondering why we have to shut our ops down and move everything to one of the most expensive places around. So far about the ONLY thing we're keeping is our paint job. Merger of "equals"? Hardly...

Again....it doesnt matter where they put ops or HDQ. Someone and something would have to be moved to accomodate the size of the new UAL.

They would have to spend a fortune to move it all to IAH. So whats the difference? :confused:

SpecialTracking 02-04-2011 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 941922)
1. We've done nothing but shrink in Denver, it's an expensive airport.

2. We've given a ton of our feed to the RJs.

3. United's RJ end of the concourse is a cramped, noisy, dirty disgrace, much like the F-Con in ORD. We're surely losing passengers to SWA and FRNT as a result.

4. No SWA passenger ever flew on an RJ. And FRNT's Airbi are even more comfortable than a guppy. PAX with no interest in loyalty programs will book a flight on a larger plane ten times before they'll book one on an RJ. I see steady passenger erosion as a result. Color me pessimist.

4. If fuel continues it's wild swings (and why won't it?) then eventually FNRT will succomb to SWA. They have been down to a few days operating cash how many times in the last 5 years?? SWA loves to move in, pick the low lying fruit and position themselves to feast on the carcass. Think BWI. This will allow them to increase their mass and that's not good for UAL/DEN.

5. International flying is best done from cities closer to the coasts. I recall reading that Tilton and Smisek have said that UAL wants to expand international ops. I can't see that in happening in DEN with EWR, IAD, LAX, HOU and SFO next to water, and ORD in the middle. Plus, United used to serve another (tiny) International airport in the New York area which could handle some EWR overflow. Nah...what am I smoking?

I hope I'm wrong. That's just the way I see it. Others smarter than I have already opined on this topic on the old board. Perhaps they will add their two cents.

6. Take a look at the amount of O& D traffic out of den.

EWRflyr 02-04-2011 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by strfyr51
Because THAT'S the Deal that Jeff BOUGHT! Didn't you READ the Aviation week article? He SAID it was the Deal TILTON offered him "Take it or LEAVE IT", There WAS no Negotiation

Sounds like the way the JNC needs to put scope at the table. Invite Jeff into the room and lay it out just like that.

EWRflyr 02-04-2011 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by oldmako
3. United's RJ end of the concourse is a cramped, noisy, dirty disgrace, much like the F-Con in ORD. We're surely losing passengers to SWA and FRNT as a result.

See it is a merger of equals! You just described the Express terminals in EWR (Terminal A) and IAH (Terminal B). We bring two disasters to the table as well. :D

oldmako 02-04-2011 12:13 PM

Father Guido,

Are you saying that there is plenty of it, or a lack of plenty? Seems to me that O&D would be a dwindling enterprise and that our mass is propping the loads up. But, I'm a guy with a half empty glass of bourbon in front of me, as opposed to one half full.

SpecialTracking 02-04-2011 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 942084)
Father Guido,

Are you saying that there is plenty of it, or a lack of plenty? Seems to me that O&D would be a dwindling enterprise and that our mass is propping the loads up. But, I'm a guy with a half empty glass of bourbon in front of me, as opposed to one half full.

Aye my Henry Mck swill loving son. The Denver O & D traffic from what I've read is not that great.

I assume you are living the chaste life of the three B's........Bourbon, Boats, and Beeyotches.


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