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APC225 03-06-2011 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by kc135driver (Post 959197)
And its no surprise that EVERY CAL furloughee was recalled ASAP but bring back a UAL furloughee? Well, you may have the chance of being "hired" within a year or so.

Sorry, couldn't resist - now, I run- anybody need to borrow some kneepads?

KC :p

If you think that your new management team has any concern or loyalty for any pilot, furloughed or not, or that the CAL union has any ability to affect the outcome of the company's staffing decisions, you will soon find out otherwise. CAL is understaffed and always has been.

The adage "if CAL had UAL workrules they'd need another 1,000 pilots instantly" I hope comes true in the next contract and they have to hire all the furloughs back in one fell swoop. If we get CAL's workrules in the JCBA it will be a very grim day for all of us, furloughed or not.

kc135driver 03-06-2011 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 959211)
If you think that your new management team has any concern or loyalty for any pilot, furloughed or not, or that the CAL union has any ability to affect the outcome of the company's staffing decisions, you will soon find out otherwise. CAL is understaffed and always has been.

The adage "if CAL had UAL workrules they'd need another 1,000 pilots instantly" I hope comes true in the next contract and they have to hire all the furloughs back in one fell swoop. If we get CAL's workrules in the JCBA it will be a very grim day for all of us, furloughed or not.

I agree. Just seemed like awhile since we had any vigorous SLI debates on here. Thought I'd poke the bear!

Seriously, hope we ALL end up in a better place once this finishes up-

KC

APC225 03-06-2011 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by kc135driver (Post 959222)
I agree. Just seemed like awhile since we had any vigorous SLI debates on here. Thought I'd poke the bear!

Seriously, hope we ALL end up in a better place once this finishes up-

KC

SLI aside, it will help if you think of it this way. The management team at CAL has always seen pilots in just one of two categories: hostaged or not hostaged. They had 147 hostages here, now they've got 1500 there. They cynically use them for leverage. SLI or not, the sooner we get all the hostages back the better!

A320 03-09-2011 07:02 AM

Just try to miss the hostage when you squeeze the trigger

A320 03-09-2011 07:04 AM

metaphorically speaking of course

WorldTraveler 03-11-2011 02:33 AM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 956054)
When a JCBA TA is ratified by the MECs, the SLI clock will start ticking. That clock is approximately 6 months in duration. IOW, the list will be finished app. 6 months after the MECs ratify a TA (not when the pilot groups ratify).

Yes, this my understanding, as well.

Given, the spike in fuel prices and the recently announced capacity cuts, my guess is that contract negotiations are on hold and any TA is many months away, maybe even into 2012.

No TA equals no SLI. But with SOC coming in October we will look more like USAirways, with two separate pilot groups with two separate contracts. Separate and unequal. :(

SpecialTracking 03-11-2011 04:10 AM


Originally Posted by WorldTraveler (Post 962215)
Yes, this my understanding, as well.

Given, the spike in fuel prices and the recently announced capacity cuts, my guess is that contract negotiations are on hold and any TA is many months away, maybe even into 2012.

Please explain why you believe contract negotiations would be on hold and how that relates to fuel prices and capacity cuts?

Dicecal 03-11-2011 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by WorldTraveler (Post 962215)
No TA equals no SLI. But with SOC coming in October we will look more like USAirways, with two separate pilot groups with two separate contracts. Separate and unequal. :(


Exactly, so no need to worry aout the SLI anytime soon. Who knows when there will be a contract, we may see more furloughs before anything else.

merger 03-11-2011 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by WorldTraveler (Post 962215)
Yes, this my understanding, as well.

Given, the spike in fuel prices and the recently announced capacity cuts, my guess is that contract negotiations are on hold and any TA is many months away, maybe even into 2012.

No TA equals no SLI. But with SOC coming in October we will look more like USAirways, with two separate pilot groups with two separate contracts. Separate and unequal. :(

Negotiations were taking place on Wednesday in San Diego and will continue next week.

SoCalGuy 03-12-2011 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by merger (Post 962465)
Negotiations were taking place on Wednesday in San Diego and will continue next week.

"Destination Location-Negotiations"

SWEET!! It's only "Money".


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