UAL?CAL seniority integration
 

Forgive me if this has already been announced, but just curious how the integration is being handled.

Thanks

It's being handled just like every other SLI... slowly. Some low level rumors, banter, and conjecture amongst the 10,000ish of us all on the sidelines. No one really has a clue.

So far, the interesting points have been:
- UALs guys are older, they want to protect their 747 pay band & pilots, and they have more widebodies.
- CAL has more new jets being delivered and more on order (787, a few 777s, and some 737s).
- As of March, all CAL furloughees will be recalled. UAL still has about 1,400 on the street. No one has a clue what will happen to UAL's 1,400. Some people think that the UAL guys will get stapled, others think that they will get ratioed in but not allowed to displace a current working CAL pilot, so they'll essentially remain furloughed until a vacancy opens up. After returning to work, they'd be senior to a lot of junior CAL guys.
- CAL had (has?) a plan to employ furloughed UAL guys, but no one has the slightest clue how that would impact SLI.
- UAL and CAL guys unanimously agree that Smisek is a POS so we got that going for us.
- In all honesty, it seems that the 2 groups have refrained from too much mudslinging - I've talked to a lot of other CAL and UAL guys and so far no one seems to want to screw the other group.
- Just like about every other arbitration out there, it'll probably end up being decided by an arbitrator in another year or 2. Or 3 or 4. Who knows.

According to the info on the quicktake, UAL has more orders for the future.

Continental:

• 777 deliveries: 3 remaining
• 787 deliveries: 3 in 2011
• 787 fleet total upon delivery completion: 25
• On 10/23/09 Continentals 10-Q SEC filing lists only five 777 aircraft on order. While two order conversions to narrowbody 737 aircraft were announced earlier in the year, lowering the order count to six

United:

• 25 787s and 25 A350s on order
• Options: 50 additional 787s and 50 A350s

That would make it CAL ~ 28-32 hard orders awaiting delivery, and UAL 50 orders awaiting delivery.

Is the use of the term "hard orders" for CAL but just "orders" for UAL intentional?

The "firmness" of these orders may be part of an SLI arbitrator's considerations of career expectations.

Hmmm......
 

I thought the SLI was going to be done by height....??????

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That would make it CAL ~ 28-32 hard orders awaiting delivery, and UAL 50 orders awaiting delivery.

No.

Keep it very simple....

Per the ALPA Merger Policy/Roadmap.....When the JCBA (Joint CBA) is voted/ratified by both Pilot Group's......Then, and only then, will the SLI will be "taken care of" as a second/seperate step in the Merger Process.

Seeing how the last two/recent SLI's went down, there is NO doubt that Arbitration will be the fostering outcome in the CAL/UAL SLI.
Tallest---->Shortest.....Sounds good!!;)

Well, I am average height, and less than "average" seniority. Would that make it a windfall for me? :D

Can I wear my M&H "South American Dictator" model hat?

When a JCBA TA is ratified by the MECs, the SLI clock will start ticking. That clock is approximately 6 months in duration. IOW, the list will be finished app. 6 months after the MECs ratify a TA (not when the pilot groups ratify). And the decision, if it goes to arbitration, will be rendered by a 3 man arbitration panel like DAL/NWA, not a single arbitrator like US Airways.