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Perceptions. Too many "other co." changes.

So at UAL there is a frequently voiced sense that checklists and procedures are being changed mostly in favor of CAL's procedures, but I have this sneaking feeling that the same may be occurring on the other side of the fence.

So what say you? What's your perception?

Thanks,

Joe

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Originally Posted by Sunvox (Post 1003376)

The only old United change I've observed has been better organizatiion and definition of procedures between FM and FOM. There have been some phonetic changes to calls in evac procedures and rumor has it the monitored (low vis) approach procedure is going away in line with old United procedures. Other than those, I haven't seen much change.

However, I'm on the 737 which isn't a common fleet type. I would only expect minor changes anyway. The 757/767/777 are the common fleet types of concerted emphasis and activity.

The ironic thing is that things are always changing. We got wholesale changes to the 727 manuals when they were 30 years old and we weren't merging. Change is inevitable and part of the process of even a normal company. We need to make sure we read our changes just as we did when we were a stand alone operation, fly professionally and act responsibly. Doesn't matter if legacy CO or UA did it one way or the other, just look at it like any change that has come down the pike over the years.

L

Until a JCBA is reached, I feel no motivation to learn any of this new stuff. Most guys I fly with feel the same way I do. The others are just waiting for a buy out or retro check to leave.

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Originally Posted by ualheavy (Post 1005324)

Until a JCBA is reached, I feel no motivation to learn any of this new stuff. Most guys I fly with feel the same way I do. The others are just waiting for a buy out or retro check to leave.

Section 9 of the current UAL CBA addresses differences training. Just like Fuel School and Flywise, the "transition guide" is training covered by Section 9-A and 9-J.

Quote:

9-A
The provisions of this Section shall apply to all training in which
pilots are required to participate, by the Company, on a
scheduled basis. This shall include but is not limited to initial,
upgrading and transition training, proficiency training,
proficiency checks, overwater training, navigation training,
requalification training and all training associated with
differences of an aircraft conducted at a local domicile, not
included in transition training.

Quote:

9-J
Should a new training requirement be instituted which will New Training
initially require more than four hours of training and which has a
specific, required completion date, the parties will meet to
discuss and agree upon (1) whether pilots who participate
should be compensated and, if so (2) what form compensation
should take. This commitment to negotiate on compensation
under these conditions does not constitute a waiver of the
Company's rights to require pilots to participate in such training
under the present provisions of the Agreement prior to reaching
agreement on the issue of compensation.

HSLD and APC co-founder, great point. Seems so simple and straightforward. Why both MECs didn't just take this stand from the beginning just seems unexplainable.

It would seem that from the FAA's perspective, follow the money. If we weren't paid, it wasn't done.