Lambourne,

I fully understand the concept of negotiations. But it's not about me. It's about the comments you made above which shows you as a company apologist.

In regards to that, I have made it quite clear to my representatives that in no way will I stand for or sit through a sales job during a contract TA road show. I want the facts only as to what the TA says and even a comparison to the current contract to show improvement areas. Can even understand presenting the facts on tradeoffs to get certain things. But all I want are facts and not an influence on how to vote, either way. If I sense a sales job, I've told my representatives that they will see me walk out and leave it to my own reading comprehension skills to decide how to vote.

Not apologizing for anyone. I think the company and ALPA are el'effe'ed up.

Here is a good example. ALPA, "Training by bulletin". All the hoopla and chest beating about this program. The LEC emails telling everyone NOT to do the training. Then when the MEC finds out the legality of the issue they have to do an about face. So ALPA wants to do this in a classroom. However, if the company were doing this in a classroom I can guarantee most of the ALPAites would be moaning and groaning about having to attend a class that could have covered everything in a bulletin. I still remember the fuel seminar and have heard the same thing about flywize. The problem with ALPA now is that they have become Chicken Little.

Between the infighting and and luminaries of ignorance and pompousness that inhabit the ALPA offices I have lost a great deal of respect and faith in it as a whole. The biggest problem I have is that I am paying a great deal of cash to ALPA each year for very little in return. Where is the ROI for being an ALPA member now?

The double standards that exist among those most loyal to ALPA is actually quick entertaining. The chest beaters and thumpers probably had their CBT's done well in advance of telling everyone else NOT to do theirs. I don't get nearly the rhetoric from the company as I do the ALPAites. So if that is why you think I am a company apologist then so be it. Let the JNC do their job and if you don't like what is presented vote NO. If it passes and you are a NO voter then please resign. No sense staying here if you are not happy with the majority. Might as well find a utopia for yourself.

L

Again, you distinguished ALPA's possible contract stance as absurd and the company's as a normal course of business. Your statements are your statements.

We all have our issues with ALPA. Yours it would appear, are stronger. Any chance you were recently an LEC Sec/Treas?

Personal attacks do not make a valid argument and your closing sentences make no sense. If I were to vote no and 51% said yes, that, is the beauty of the union. We all pretty much want the same thing, the difference is how we get there.

Lamb, the other consideration could be you leaving UA for a company that doesn't have ALPA representation on their property. Wouldn't you want to try a different financial advisor to get you a better return on your money??