Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1029201)

No kidding. Come on guys.... Notice all those Blue and Red clown cars rolling around with copilots making the same as DL captains? Southwest +1 and appropriate increases for the larger aircraft should be the minimum.

Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 1030255)

I never said that.

My problem is with those who say that the C2000 caused UAL's CH11 filing/furloughs and therefore we should never again receive a large contract. It kinda goes along the same line of thought that the pilots were solely responsible for for the Summer of 2K.

The CH11 filing was the result of many events. Rapid growth leading up to the dot com bust, 9/11, increasing fuel costs, and yes, costlier contracts. The company knew of their cash flow problems in the spring of 02. They even knew that if they let current events run their course, we would hit our min cash limit Nov 02 time frame. From my perspective, it seemed like they wasted a lot of time trying to solve the problem. One could even argue they wanted to go bankrupt, shred the contracts, pensions, and ESOP all at once.

It nauseates me to hear someone, let alone a pilot, neatly wrap a large contract gain into a CH11 filing and furloughs. C2000 was essentially an inflationary increase from 1994 to 2000 plus a modest contractual gain. I'm not going to speak for Mr. Average IAH pilot, but coming off a nearly 50% pay cut 8 years ago, I will not vote for an "average contract" and continue to fund our bankruptcy of 3 years ago and senior management's bank account.

Originally Posted by zoomiezombie (Post 1030746)

I have heard people talk that were doing contract negotiations at DAL & UAL at that time. They say things started towards a recession the summer before 9/11. They say that's why they settled for the deals they got.
The attacks reportedly made it a faster and more severe decline, but the net result might have been pretty similar. We'll never know.

Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 1031389)

Last I checked, industry leading contract + 1 is still an industry leading contract.

Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 1031389)

Last I checked, industry leading contract + 1 is still an industry leading contract.

Originally Posted by SoCalGuy (Post 1039536)

Good to hear your an exclusive "$$ Section 3 ONLY kinda of guy $$". Does this mean that Section 1 (SCOPE) has no meaning to you, let alone the rest of the entire CBA??

If you took time to inform yourself through your Reps, and other Union Comm Members, you might be versed to understand that MGT/UHC "DAL+1" offer was mirroring Delta Airlines payscales plus $1.....NOT inclusive, nor 100% carbon copy to encompass ALL of DAL's current work rules as their CBA reads. You understand work rules???.....Those "thingy's" that dictate your QOL, and 'soft money' that one can achieve outside of CBA $ection 3?? Not to mention DAL's current SCOPE would only further relax CAL's current CBA Section 1!! Say it with me..."HUGE Concession".

If your entirely satisfied with "industry leading" based solely on DAL's current Section 3 +$1, PLEASE do us ALL a favor.....sit out any future vote.

Much Appreciated.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1042364)

CAL guys and gals, 737-900, thoughts about flying on it and riding on it since DAL seems to be going that way?

Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot (Post 1042439)

I like the 900.............very stable platform and nice flying machine. It is VERY underpowered though and most transcons are lucky to see FL360/FL350 during the last few hundred miles. We also use FULL LENGTH on many transcons for takeoff (as well as BLEEDS OFF), and begin rotation with only a 1000' of runway remaining. The puckerfactor goes up on warm days............but overall, I still like flying it. Feels identical to a B-727, and those were a joy to fly. Have fun on them! (Also NEVER land below vref....not even a knot..............the nose will pop up and you'll get a tailstrike before you even had any inkling something was about to happen. I know from experience). The ground spoilers deploy approximately 30 degrees higher on the 900 than the 800's after touchdown............and this causes the nose to pitch up. BE CAREFUL!!!!