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APC225 09-14-2011 08:24 AM

CAL ALPA takes a stand-ignore 23 Sep CBT date
 
"Last week, the Grievance Committee informed you of the Company's violation of our contract in regards to the deadline for the CBT associated with the Pilot Merger Guide the Company sent out to the pilot group. In a terse reply to our request that this issue be properly addressed, Flight Operations management refused to acknowledge the controlling language in the CBA. They have decreed that there is no contractual restriction and they can set the due date whenever they want. It appears, yet again, that management is ignoring the fact we even have a contract before they make their plans. Then, when we call them on it, they attempt to “martinize” contractual language in order to fix their mistake. The language from the contract is clear:

Section 11, Part 1.5. - “Distributed Training” means training designed to be accomplished at home, at Base learning centers, or similar non-centralized locations using printed materials, computer based training (CBT), or other similar methods.

and

Section 11, Part 3.F. - A pilot will be notified electronically (CCS) at least twenty-one (21) days prior to the first day of the first month in which he is eligible to be scheduled for a CQP event, and will be notified electronically (CCS) at least fifteen (15) days prior to the first day of the month in which he becomes eligible for self-scheduled CQP training or self-directed Distributed Training. Notification will be repeated if a pilot enters his grace month without having accomplished the event.

Flight Operations management claims that since there is no "grace" month like normal annual training, this is not Distributed Training and therefore the contractual provisions don't apply. There is a clear difference between self-scheduled CQP training such as normal annual CBT training (ASR and GSR) which has a grace month, and self-directed Distributed Training which has nothing to do with annual CQP training. The contract is clear. The CBT associated with the Pilot Merger Guide cannot have a due date earlier than Oct. 31.

It is also important to note, there is no safety or regulatory reason to force pilots to rush this training. To the contrary, rushing these types of things is generally considered the antithesis to safety. The Sept. 23 deadline is not an FAA deadline. It is an artificially imposed one forced on the pilot group by management. We are left to ponder if this is being done to show the FAA progress in the single operating certificate (SOC) process. Remember, management is very incentivized toward getting SOC accomplished. There are jobs, promotions and big bonuses tied to getting it done on schedule. This is nothing but a blatant attempt by the Company to force yet another contractual violation down our throats. In any investigation of a crime, the police will tell you it's simple: follow the money. They are, in essence, bastardizing our contractual language in order to line their own pockets.

We have tried to resolve this issue with management. We discussed with them possible solutions to their violation of the contract, but the best they would offer was to not do it again. That is simply not good enough. Our CBA must mean something.

Pilots are always free to complete their training early; however, contractually, the due date for this training is Oct. 31."

Monkeyfly 09-14-2011 11:17 AM

Where did this come from? Haven't received it / can't find it.

APC225 09-14-2011 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by Monkeyfly (Post 1054374)
Where did this come from? Haven't received it / can't find it.

Blastmail.

APC225 09-14-2011 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by beeker (Post 1054395)
I thought sept 23rd was for the extra pay but non qual was oct 4?

Don't really know that.

FOM says the definitive place to determine qual to fly is the Qual page in CCS. This CBT is not loaded in here so technically I don't see how the company can say you went non-qual. If you fly after the 23rd (or the 4th) and the Qual screen says you were good to go at checkin I don't see what angle they'll come from to get you.

The FAA approves the FOM, the FOM says Qual screen is definitive, Qual screen shows qualified. If they take you off a trip it will have to be paid eventually as there was no valid reason not to fly.

LifeNtheFstLne 09-14-2011 12:50 PM

99% of the pilots will have it done by the 23rd. Guaranteed. Why? Because they've been led to believe that the $$$ is attached to that completion date.

APC225 09-14-2011 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by beeker (Post 1054428)
There is something on my qualification page referring to the "Integration Training."

Life, What do you mean they've been led to believe there is money attached? Are you saying the company is going to go against its own pilot bulletins?

Two messages came out today.

1. Lost Qual on 4 Oct if not done. This appears to be a clarification to CPs saying it "must" be done by 23 Sep and the previous direction saying the 23rd was a "target" date. It may also be a bit of capitulation.

2. It pays one hour. But if done by the 23rd, it pays 2.4 hours. A bribe to meet a target date set by the company as they rush to get SOC.

At least they're learning. If you want us do something, it will cost you. I hope we can all understand and apply this principle going forward. No one wants to slow things down or make issues out of nothing, but if they need something outside the contract, treat us with dignity and don't ask us to do it for free.

APC225 09-14-2011 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by beeker (Post 1054515)
ok just making sure I am reading all of this stuff correctly

Oct 4 is now the company's line-in-sand date for lost qual. The union says contractually it is 31 Oct. Could be interesting, but probably won't be.


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