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APC225 10-22-2011 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by ualheavy (Post 1073537)
Like Tailwheel said, "Feburary Flu"

Accompanied by the "February Frenzy" of VJM.

Ottopilot 10-22-2011 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1073582)
Accompanied by the "February Frenzy" of VJM.

You can't call people on sick time.
;)

EWR73FO 10-22-2011 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by Ottopilot (Post 1073633)
You can't call people on sick time.
;)

Never stopped them before.:(

APC225 10-22-2011 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by Ottopilot (Post 1073633)
You can't call people on sick time.
;)

Don't give them any ideas!

Voluntary junior man. There are always VJM helpers during the meltdowns, whether it's from sick calls, natural disaster, or just poor planning. All the company has to do is put out a bulletin. There were 9 this summer which in the end covered the whole summer.

Shrek 10-22-2011 10:31 PM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1073643)
Don't give them any ideas!

Voluntary junior man. There are always VJM helpers during the meltdowns, whether it's from sick calls, natural disaster, or just poor planning. All the company has to do is put out a bulletin. There were 9 this summer which in the end covered the whole summer.

As a furloughed guy - all I can do is shake my head in disgust. :mad:

LeeFXDWG 10-23-2011 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1073643)
Don't give them any ideas!

Voluntary junior man. There are always VJM helpers during the meltdowns, whether it's from sick calls, natural disaster, or just poor planning. All the company has to do is put out a bulletin. There were 9 this summer which in the end covered the whole summer.

Sad indeed. Another reason why the JCBA should include a mandatory moratorium on VJM (UAL JRM) as well as a cap on credit time (with non of CAL's DH stuff either to plus up) when folks are still on the street.

Frats,
Lee

APC225 10-23-2011 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by Shrek (Post 1073761)
As a furloughed guy - all I can do is shake my head in disgust. :mad:

I was, and I did.

Andy 10-23-2011 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by LeeFXDWG (Post 1073885)
Sad indeed. Another reason why the JCBA should include a mandatory moratorium on VJM (UAL JRM) as well as a cap on credit time (with non of CAL's DH stuff either to plus up) when folks are still on the street.

Frats,
Lee

A reduced cap on credit time is a critical component; I don't know if eliminating VJM would be needed. I would MUCH RATHER have lowered credit time caps than a no furlough clause.
There would also need to be an elimination of banking credit time during furloughs.

Having caps in place could be a win-win for both management and labor, as it would reduce training costs generated from surplus bids. All of the money wasted in retraining pilots is akin to the broken window fallacy.

I'd also suggest that there should be a requirement for unlimited voluntary LOAs and reduced (down to, say, 40 credit hour) lines while pilots are furloughed. Not every pilot wants to work 100+ credit hours every month.

SOTeric 10-23-2011 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by LeeFXDWG (Post 1073885)
Sad indeed. Another reason why the JCBA should include a mandatory moratorium on VJM (UAL JRM) as well as a cap on credit time (with non of CAL's DH stuff either to plus up) when folks are still on the street.

Frats,
Lee

AMEN. however, there are plenty of *****s who would consider that a pay cut. Hard to believe eh?

Tony Nelson 10-24-2011 04:33 AM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 1073897)
A reduced cap on credit time is a critical component; I don't know if eliminating VJM would be needed. I would MUCH RATHER have lowered credit time caps than a no furlough clause.
There would also need to be an elimination of banking credit time during furloughs.

Having caps in place could be a win-win for both management and labor, as it would reduce training costs generated from surplus bids. All of the money wasted in retraining pilots is akin to the broken window fallacy.

I'd also suggest that there should be a requirement for unlimited voluntary LOAs and reduced (down to, say, 40 credit hour) lines while pilots are furloughed. Not every pilot wants to work 100+ credit hours every month.

I could not agree with you more!


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