Not going to happen.

Age 65 caused more furloughs than just the number of retirements that didn't happen at age 60.
Age 65 caused the pilot training pipeline to be shut down, eliminating 300 or so pilot jobs.

When all is said and done, absent age 65, UAL would likely have not furloughed a single pilot due to economic conditions. You've been around the industry long enough to know all of this. Why would you intentionally lie about it?

If I ever get back, I will plan on retiring at 65 'cause that's what it is now. If it ever goes to 70, I will still have a goal of 65.
And I am not a "complainer", but again people really think upping the retirement age had NOTHING to do with the furloughs?!:eek:

Oh yeah, then I will apply to the FAA, and "retire" from there when I am 80, or maybe 85...

Not complaining pal, just stating a fact.

Age 65 didn't give everyone 5 more years at the top. It paused everyone's careers for 5 years in the seat they were in at the time. Now the younger pilots are going to have to work to 65 to get to the point they would've been at when they reached 60.

This whole age 65 thing was one of the most selfish acts to ever take place in this industry. Pilots enjoyed upward movement their entire profession and then took that same movement, career potential, and opportunity away from every pilot below them. Bad economic times? So what? I don't care. Every pilot's career has good times and bad times, that group wasn't the only one to encounter them. You got handed a lame card at the end of the game, thats tough, but its life. Its not the first time and its not the last time it will happen to a pilot, but you can't just go take that money from the rest of the piloting profession and say that it was a just thing to do.

"Taking care of those who follow, as those who have come before took care of me."

A play, in two acts:

Act 1: Allow outsourcing of domestic flying to a portfolio of regionals forever undercutting each other in a race to the bottom.

Act 2: Lobby hard for a 5 year extension of line flying, taking more from the system than anyone had before, all the while subjecting those just making it onto the mainline list to the further purgatory of furlough/financial and family ruin.

[exeunt]

That pretty much sums it up. Sadly.

That too is a fine summation.

Who gives a damn about 65 being the retirement age? IT'S A DONE DEAL. I was not for it. Now, why waste your breath on it? Let's move along and focus on important stuff like getting a fatter pay check and great working rules.

To line up with whom? Age 65 was already the ICAO retirement age when the US retirement age changed. Highly unlikely.