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I would listen to my cat before I listen to someone who quotes Ayn Rand.

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Originally Posted by mxdude (Post 1107247)

i would listen to my cat before i listen to someone who quotes ayn rand.

perfect!!!

I don't know all the stats on who is flying to 65 and who is not. That being said almost everyone I fly with has been beaten up in this industry including many who struck at cal and stood up for many of the folks knocking them now. There retirement has been taken and they are trying to make it up the best they can. Is this an excuse, I guess so but many have stood up for this profession and paid a pretty big price. It seems that most on here that are against them working to 65 sound like they will now work till 65 themselves with the excuse that the current 65 made them because of lost wages time in the left seat whatever. How is this any different to the guys under you?

You want to be ****ed at someone take a look at the lca's at 110 hours every month, the junior manning or the guys that crossed lines, theres plenty to be ****ed at.

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Originally Posted by MXDUDE (Post 1107247)

I would listen to my cat before I listen to someone who quotes Ayn Rand.

So, what quote is from Atm Rand?

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Originally Posted by paladin (Post 1107129)

Exactly, the training pipeline was shut down because due to the change of the retirement age there was no longer a need to hire replacements; before UAL can furlough they must first hire. The only thing man power planning cares about is the number of pilots required to fly the schedule. UAL is not a flying club nor should they be expected to run a jobs program for instructors and unemployed pilots.

If a 747-400 Captain retires, how many NEWHIRES are required?

(a) it is not ONE pilot but around 10-12 new pilots to fill all the vacancies created by the ONE pilot leaving at the top.

Using your logic I guess it is "ok" to cross a picket line since "The airline was hiring"

Whatever makes you sleep better at night---HOWEVER all of us know the truth!

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Originally Posted by paladin (Post 1107153)

Neither, but what's your point? you saying UAL is a flying club and they have an obligation to have their instructors train unemployed pilots?

My point is your attitude sucks and I've heard inflammatory comments like that before - from SCABs. Either you don't understand or you don't care. Probably both.

The clock is ticking - Enjoy it while it lasts...;)

'83 or '85?

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1107079)

I'm 99% certain Otto is a CAL guy. The 100 airplanes parked at UAL had no effect on his displacement.

I know he is a CAL guy, and I never said he was not. The 100 planes parked at UAL had everything to do with MY displacement....as I stated.

Sled

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Originally Posted by Sonny Crockett (Post 1107285)

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If a 747-400 Captain retires, how many NEWHIRES are required?

(a) it is not ONE pilot but around 10-12 new pilots to fill all the vacancies created by the ONE pilot leaving at the top....

I don't think that is true....

One guy leaving from the top may trigger 12 bid/training moves as junior guys below move up, but overall, the company is still short just one pilot.

Unless you are saying that recallees/newhires are only 1/12 the efficiency or manpower-model of a crusty old Captain. ;)

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Originally Posted by syd111 (Post 1107277)

I don't know all the stats on who is flying to 65 and who is not. That being said almost everyone I fly with has been beaten up in this industry including many who struck at cal and stood up for many of the folks knocking them now. There retirement has been taken and they are trying to make it up the best they can. Is this an excuse, I guess so but many have stood up for this profession and paid a pretty big price. It seems that most on here that are against them working to 65 sound like they will now work till 65 themselves with the excuse that the current 65 made them because of lost wages time in the left seat whatever. How is this any different to the guys under you?You want to be ****ed at someone take a look at the lca's at 110 hours every month, the junior manning or the guys that crossed lines, theres plenty to be ****ed at.

Because it is different, Syd. DId you read my earlier post? A UAL pilot holding 777/747 Captain on or before 12 Dec 2007 gets/got 5 more years at $190/hr. A UAL pilot holding A320 F/O on or before 12 Dec 2007 gets/got 5 more years at $94/hr. And a furloughed pilot, well, you get the picture. You better believe I will be hanging around till 65 if I don't get hit by a bus, hit the lotto, or ruin my liver. If I go out at 60, I will short myself 5 years at the top scale that I WOULD HAVE HAD if the law had not changed.

Sled