Are you ready for some Unity
 

Let's recap:

- CAL MEC Chairman testifies for company against UAL MEC in training lawsuit. Something about the UAL MEC wanting to much training.

- CAL MEC leadership sends out Email to CAL pilots explaining why they had to split with UAL MEC on training lawsuit. Something about pride, profession and the CAL way of life.

- CAL MEC Chairman accepts a company designed plan to give the CAL pilots Profit Sharing and leaving the UAL MEC with no way to negotiate for equal treatment under the TPA. Something about UAL MEC asking for to much.

Summary:
I'll leave that up to you! Remember we are talking about Accountability and Unity.

And neither applies to you.

Get a grip...

How does any of your incessant drivel about Pierce have anything to do with creating unity? You need to change the thread title to something more accurate like "Continued Blatant Attempts by Blowhard Dexim to Foster Disunity"

You're right - It never happened.

Everyone is aware of this. Let Hepner and Pierce work this out amongst themselves. Constantly bringing this up on this board is going to do absolutely nothing but drive a wedge between the pilots. We have all expressed our opinions. We don't need any wedges. Let it lie. Let's work together.

You are joking - right!

You're so right...let's spend every modicum of energy we can muster on the death-spiral (copy, lufberry) regarding the Pierce/PS/ALPA National BS that accomplishes nothing.

As far as the aforementioned issues go..."got it". Now lets press, unify, and get a contract.

Cheers,
Horhay

If you "got it" we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Detox dex...
 

My god..
I can't believe you dopes still let this douche dexim get under your skin.

None of this should surprise you. From his one line snarky quips to his lack of coherence. Give him the forum as any keyboard warrior deserves..solo.

Chirp..chirp...chirp.. Just like crickets...
That's what I hear with him.

Now just kick back and see how long he sticks around when you don't entertain his high school rant anymore.

You sir, are incorrect. What you're apparently lacking is the context for the aforementioned comment. The intent was to intimate to the masses that whilst "he" (read dexim) my be of a certain opinion, he represents a rapidly growing minority of those within the L-UAL camp. I, like many others imho, intend not to dwell/anchor in the thrash that has occurred as of late amongst our collective "pilot group". While the lessons learned shouldn't be lost going forward, neither should they be the focus of our "collective" attention. Therefore I felt the best methodology to surmise and convey my thoughts/feelings regarding this issue was to simply state "got-it" (translated = message received and understood, but less wordy and stuff). At that point the stage is set to discontinue engaging in discussion regarding related subject matter, no further discussion expected or required.

Your assumption that dexim is "under skin" is a clear miss, this is incorrect. However the resolution to nullify the offender - "Operation ignore" should be fully and completely adopted and implemented, without delay...I concur.

Let the games begin.

Cheers,
Horhay

+1 !!!!!!!!!!!:cool:

+1.........

Not beating it to death - Just trying to keep it alive. We can't afford to have it happen again and there is no indication from either MEC that it won't.

This character, what's he call himself, Dexim?
Obviously a management plant trying to stir up some angst.
Let's move along, shall we?

All you're doing is feeding the beast...copy, ignore and we're all better off

Ignore who??;)

As I remember it - Dexim had nothing to do with it. CAL MEC and membership were responsible. Explain how Dexim is responsible and how/why he should be held accountable.

The primary reason to hold you accountable: You refer to yourself in the 3rd person, kind of weird.

Jimmy's got new training shoes. Jimmy can jump.

The Jimmy - YouTube

Very "Dobby/Gollum" like.

That's funny, but I'm offended. Pierce is right! You CAL guys will get what he wants you to have. We had a pos like that. His name is Paul Whiteford - read\watch\learn. Won't repeat his deeds - the information is out there if you guys take the time to read instead of bash.

Coming from the guy who called ALL CAL Pilots SCABS for the Profit Sharing deal that JP did! You are a joke!

I don't remember saying that. May have used "SCAB LIKE", but if you took it that way it sticks/sucks. Have you noticed the number of UAL guys not posting on this forum? Wonder what they are up to?

Yeah.. 3rd person is..well.. different... and while reading through the thread I saw all of your points and nodded...until:


"- CAL MEC Chairman testifies for company against UAL MEC in training lawsuit. Something about the UAL MEC wanting to much training.

- CAL MEC leadership sends out Email to CAL pilots explaining why they had to split with UAL MEC on training lawsuit. Something about pride, profession and the CAL way of life.

- CAL MEC Chairman accepts a company designed plan to give the CAL pilots Profit Sharing and leaving the UAL MEC with no way to negotiate for equal treatment under the TPA. Something about UAL MEC asking for to much."


Then I seem to remember, and correct me if I'm wrong, that Pierce would:

Not sign the letter that the JCBA will not affect the ISL (Like the DAL/NWA boys did) .

This, AFTER the UAL pilots, seemingly in an effort to cooperate, caved in on banding.

AND

Pierce wants all of the UAL pilots W-2's.

Hate to say it, but just because the messenger annoys everybody, don't know why your ire is not raised. Unless just not publically? Question for the UA guys: Doesn't this raise REALLY BIG RED FLAGS with you? Nevermind.. I know it does..it HAS to. You're just not going to say so here...right?

Correct. Sure, Dexim is stirring up some folks with his posts. And sure, it may lead to some disunity -- ON THIS FORUM. I didn't think I could find a smaller echo chamber than the UAL ALPA pilots forum...then I came here. Sorry, but if Dexim ****es you guys off, it still won't even ripple the entire pilot groups. The problem is that he speaks the truth in a lot of ways. I won't rub it in and belabor the point, but you can rest assured that I've gotten the message from the CAL leadership (and pilot group by default) loud and clear. The result is that I don't trust your leadership, and from what I see so far I bet that the majority of CAL pilots will walk along behind P(OS)ierce picking up the goodies while feigning ignorance and unity. This is the message that I'm sending to my LEC leadership -- I just choose to keep it of this forum (for the most part).

Just because Dexim is the only UAL pilot one here espousing this view, you shouldn't dismiss him as an aberration.

Question for all CAL pilots:
-Do you think that both Master Chairmen should sign an agreement to exclude all JCBA items/issues/terms from the SLI process?

Completely bashing and ripping up any CAL pilot that even breathes. You're getting off easy here.

Not true! I've tried to keep Pierce and his doings front and center. As long as Pierce is in a position to impact me, my family and our future - I will not let anybody forget what he did. You must be one of the those approving his misdeeds. Don't blame me.

Hmmm, you are beginning to sound like someone I know. Specifically one of the dynamic duo. Hmmm, I wonder which one you might be. I'm thinking the crazy one - oopps, that doesn't narrow it down does it?

That's what I figured. Your comment that the majority of CAL pilots are most likely in step with pierce is supported by the fact that the comments by them, following your post, are concerned with being alluded to a scab and other irrelevancies to the points on the thread.

I doubt they will directly answer your question or this one here:
Do you think that during the SOC debate it would have been better for unity purposes and leverage for the contract if pierce hadn't said (to the effect): "We don't see anything wrong with the SOC training"?

You better crawl back in you hole before the other one finds out you here. I'm sure he'll dump on you for GP and laughs.

Don't like the message? Attack the messenger!

I'll allow that he is as determined as a honey badger and that his decorum may rankle some, but Dexim has made several valid points. Much like CAL Vince has on the combined UAL/CAL Forum in sounding off loudly, constantly and clearly about one Captain Pierce. Vinny, while a bit over the top has so far been pretty much right on the money about Pierce and his management leaning ways. His anti union blather typically obscures his message, but I still read what Vince has to say and find his characterization of Jay Pierce accurate.

Personally, I feel as though too many here are thin skinned and recoil when the sunlight shines upon a festering fecal pellet. What we need to focus on is managements assault on our profession, no matter who does their bidding. But we must acknowledge attacks! What I see now is similar to the manner in which the UAL guys were railroaded during the bankruptcy proceeding! The company applied consistent, unending pressure in an attempt to lower our expectations and resolve. This is no different, its just coming from a different group of extraordinarily wealthy anti labor types. So, sift through all the messages and retain the kernels of truth. Stay focused on el hefe and your long over due JCBA. Remember, he wants us to toil under CAL work rules along with only a pathetic and insulting raise.

UCAL has nine billion in cash. Record profits. We deserve a significant chunk of both.

I urge all pilots to watch Frontline, Can You Afford To Retire. It's available online and details the attack on labor that was mounted by UAL management during our bankruptcy. Probably the best thirty minutes you can devote to your future. I tried to embed, but I am just a luddite and not sure if this will work. Google it as it's readily available.

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LMAO, I didn't even mention his name and you chime right in. Might you be his infamous sidekick? Even on an anonymous board one cannot disguise stupid.

Your impressive list of one or two sentence responses tossing out nothing but vitriol reinforce our opinion of you as well. I don't know Dexim.

Nothing new here, continue to attack the messenger. Jeff loves it!

Uh huh, sure, lol.

You should never underestimate - SLICK!

Too, To and Two Management is supposed to take pilots seriously when they don't even know how to use the english language. Did you even go to school dude?

Nice - ****

Who are you talking to?