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2012 Fleet Plan
As of JAN 26, 2012, the fleet plan shows 4 737-500's being parked in the 1st quarter, 5 737-900's entering service and 3 767-200's being parked in the second quarter, 2 787-800's entering service and 1 757-220 and 3 737-500's being parked in the 3rd quarter, and 3 787-800's and 2 737-900's entering service and 2 767-200's and 4 757-200's being parked in the 4th quarter.
First quarter fleet plan ending FY 2012: 747-400 - 23 777-200 - 74 787-800 - 5 767-234 - 54 757-2/3 - 150 737-ALL - 238 A319/20 - 152 2011 YE Fleet Count - 701 2012 YE Fleet Count - 696 Quite sure that all of this is subject to change as mgmt sees fit. |
The incredible shrinking airline continues. Sure glad our future rides on the 787 and 737-900 flying. :rolleyes:
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I expect a lot more parked in the next few years. Old 757s, 767s, 737s, etc. Hopefully the retirements coming will avoid furloughs from shrinkage. We better hold on scope or it's over.
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Any more news reagrding the possible aircraft purchase that was being talked about before the end of 2011? Other sites rumoring both narrow and widebody purchases. Some even mentioned a possible launch customer for the B777MAX - which I hadn't heard of..
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Originally Posted by grant123
(Post 1132555)
Any more news reagrding the possible aircraft purchase that was being talked about before the end of 2011? Other sites rumoring both narrow and widebody purchases. Some even mentioned a possible launch customer for the B777MAX - which I hadn't heard of..
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Originally Posted by FACSofLife
(Post 1132561)
Carrot meet stick. Typical announcement during contract negotiations. I'm not saying it will not happen, but management is doing their job and I don't believe a word they say. **** UAL.
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Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin
(Post 1132564)
This is a very angry and nonsensical post.
Sled PS. I don't know about CAL, but at UAL, sl pays a full 5hrs per day for rsv and trip value for line holders. VERY lucrative. |
Originally Posted by FACSofLife
(Post 1132561)
Carrot meet stick. Typical announcement during contract negotiations. I'm not saying it will not happen, but management is doing their job and I don't believe a word they say. **** UAL.
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Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin
(Post 1132564)
This is a very angry and nonsensical post.
Yes it's angry...and it makes perfect sense to me. Where have YOU been? |
Originally Posted by UalHvy
(Post 1132724)
Yes it's angry...and it makes perfect sense to me. Where have YOU been?
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Originally Posted by jsled
(Post 1132584)
yea, so what? Are you happy making below average pay at the word's largest airline?? Happy that UAL can spend 500M on aircraft interiors but can't make progress on a JCBA?? Especially you CAL guys. You voluntarily took concessions with no bankruptcy 1113 process. Doesn't that make you feel like a mark?? A sucker?? What's it been now?? 3 years since that concessionary contract became amendable. It's been 2 for us. As UAL drags out this JCBA longer and longer, getting every penny it can, my 2 favorite phrases are fuel burn and sick leave. Am I angry?? You bet.
Sled PS. I don't know about CAL, but at UAL, sl pays a full 5hrs per day for rsv and trip value for line holders. VERY lucrative. After seeing the ****** sandwich that you guys have when it comes to the scope that was given up by your pilot group so you could "right-size and prepare for the CAL merger" :rolleyes: I am glad it was done voluntarily here. Who knows what the result would have been had we gone down that road. You gave up pay and scope and CAL pilots gave up work rules and some pay but kept scope. To be honest, I'm not sure either group has bragging rights to the contracts they are working under. |
Originally Posted by FACSofLife
(Post 1132561)
Carrot meet stick. Typical announcement during contract negotiations. I'm not saying it will not happen, but management is doing their job and I don't believe a word they say. **** UAL.
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OK, so current plan is mainline shrinkage of 5 net aircraft. .7% mainline fleet shrinkage.
Current plan also includes regional partner shrinkage of 11 net aircraft. 555 to 544 or 2% regional fleet shrinkage. It's nice to see regional flying shrink more than mainline flying; let's hope it's a trend. UCH is not the only airline that's been shrinking; Delta has also shrunk. And of course AMR has been and will continue to shrink. So it isn't only UCH that's shrinking. At the same time, RPMs (revenue passenger miles) have been declining. This is simply airlines shrinking to match declining air passenger demand. While the airlines shrinking is not good for pilot advancement to larger equipment/pilot hiring, it's helping keep the airlines (other than AMR) profitable. It's good to see a bit of sanity in airline planning rather than the traditional feast/famine cycles of the last few decades. I don't believe the rumors of new aircraft orders other than as replacements for aircraft that are on the block to be retired. LUAL's A319/320 fleet's getting pretty long in the tooth; I could believe that there's a replacement order in store for them. But additional lift? I wouldn't expect to see that until we see an increase in RPMs - and that additional lift would likely initially take the form of delaying retirement of airframes while accepting delivery of replacement airframes rather than a large new order. |
Originally Posted by Andy
(Post 1132768)
OK, so current plan is mainline shrinkage of 5 net aircraft. .7% mainline fleet shrinkage.
Current plan also includes regional partner shrinkage of 11 net aircraft. 555 to 544 or 2% regional fleet shrinkage. It's nice to see regional flying shrink more than mainline flying; let's hope it's a trend. |
Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin
(Post 1132731)
You guys are just too much. Everything is a crisis, plot, hidden meaning, or conspiracy. Everyone else is clueless, incompetent, evil, or management types. Collectively you people have got to be the most miserable lot I have ever encountered.
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu...rpjqo1_500.jpg http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...QEwAg&dur=9443 |
LOL, I see the kid has been excused from the dinner table.
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Originally Posted by Andy
(Post 1132768)
OK, so current plan is mainline shrinkage of 5 net aircraft. .7% mainline fleet shrinkage.
Current plan also includes regional partner shrinkage of 11 net aircraft. 555 to 544 or 2% regional fleet shrinkage. It's nice to see regional flying shrink more than mainline flying; let's hope it's a trend. UCH is not the only airline that's been shrinking; Delta has also shrunk. And of course AMR has been and will continue to shrink. So it isn't only UCH that's shrinking. At the same time, RPMs (revenue passenger miles) have been declining. This is simply airlines shrinking to match declining air passenger demand. While the airlines shrinking is not good for pilot advancement to larger equipment/pilot hiring, it's helping keep the airlines (other than AMR) profitKable. It's good to see a bit of sanity in airline planning rather than the traditional feast/famine cycles of the last few decades. I don't believe the rumors of new aircraft orders other than as replacements for aircraft that are on the block to be retired. LUAL's A319/320 fleet's getting pretty long in the tooth; I could believe that there's a replacement order in store for them. But additional lift? I wouldn't expect to see that until we see an increase in RPMs - and that additional lift would likely initially take the form of delaying retirement of airframes while accepting delivery of replacement airframes rather than a large new order. |
Originally Posted by Slammer
(Post 1132954)
Actually the passenger revenue seat miles increased have increased. See latest report from company for 2011 and Jan 2012. UA and Delta have and are buying up capacity...and price hikes are ticking for now..
For January 2012, the consolidated RPMs were 15,337,250. For January 2011, the consolidated RPMs were 15,836,192. Mainline RPMs declined in Jan but regional RPMs showed a slight increase. Link: United Continental Holdings, Inc. - Investor Relations - News= I'd break out the Delta numbers but you can see that they show the same thing. Delta Air Lines Announces $379 Million Quarterly Profit and $1.2 Billion Annual Profit, Excluding Special Items - Jan 25, 2012 Delta Reports January Operational and Financial Performance - Feb 6, 2012 Edit: OK, I think you were looking at Passenger Revenue Per Available Seat Mile (PRASM). That's not a reflection of the number of passenger miles flown. RPMs, on the other hand, measure airline passenger traffic. My comments referred to matching flight availability to passenger demand so RPM is the correct measurement. |
Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin
(Post 1132927)
LOL, I see the kid has been excused from the dinner table.
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Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin
(Post 1132731)
You guys are just too much. Everything is a crisis, plot, hidden meaning, or conspiracy. Everyone else is clueless, incompetent, evil, or management types. Collectively you people have got to be the most miserable lot I have ever encountered.
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Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin
(Post 1132731)
Collectively you people have got to be the most miserable lot I have ever encountered.
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Originally Posted by 13n144e
(Post 1133164)
Yup. Working for a draconian CEO and a company that treats you like crap tends to make you miserable. :(
It has got to be very frustrating for these brain surgeons. If only everyone else had their insight, we could all be collectively miserable. |
Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin
(Post 1133174)
In fact, they have not "liked" any of their CEOs. Of course they say they like Gordon but he isn't on the property anymore but if he was, they wouldn't like him either. They don't like our MEC but apparently their MEC wasn't much better. They don't like us 'cause we have "history." But, of course, they have "history" too. They fly around a bunch of Krap airframes but when the company announces replacements they don't like it. We get ps and they don't like that. It just goes on and on and on.
It has got to be very frustrating for these brain surgeons. If only everyone else had their insight, we could all be collectively miserable. You have to look at history. What has the CAL group done in the last 30 years for the trade?? Scabbed, and eaten off the bones of carriers that they have raped and pillaged.......proud history. You dont have an industry leading contract, there is NOTHING there to be really proud of. You have some new iron.....BIG DEAL. Lots of small crap, WOW!!! Heck, JetBlue has newer stuff that CAL, so what?? Yes you are correct, UAL pay sucks!! We put our emphasis on quality of life, that has value, you put yours in being able to fly 100 hrs a month, something UAL pilots would never do. So to tout you have some newer iron.....please, mine is bigger than yours, by a ratio of 6 to 1. You can keep the guppies, we will keep our 747's. You sir, I have a feeling would NOT be there to help your profession if and when the calling comes. People that post as you do generally have their heads in the sand, and their eyes on the Chief Pilots door. Perhaps I am wrong and you were just an abused child......I hope its the latter, then I truly do feel sorry for you... J |
Pardon me for dropping in again, but this particular forum doesn't translate well in the neutral observer/adult world.
As an aviation buff and some prior business, I'm lightly familiar with some of the issues being discussed. However, some on this thread are doing a great impersonation of a few first graders in a too-small sandbox. A few more adults and a few less children might do wonders. Seriously, this is a public website. You guys are running a high risk of doing yourselves a disservice. I fly the new UAL a lot (and the former CAL and former UAL). I'm having a difficult time establishing an adult connection between who and what I see entering the flight deck and what I'm observing on this forum. |
Originally Posted by jaykris
(Post 1133196)
Add we dont like YOU!:eek:
You have to look at history. What has the CAL group done in the last 30 years for the trade?? Scabbed, and eaten off the bones of carriers that they have raped and pillaged.......proud history. You dont have an industry leading contract, there is NOTHING there to be really proud of. You have some new iron.....BIG DEAL. Lots of small crap, WOW!!! Heck, JetBlue has newer stuff that CAL, so what?? Yes you are correct, UAL pay sucks!! We put our emphasis on quality of life, that has value, you put yours in being able to fly 100 hrs a month, something UAL pilots would never do. So to tout you have some newer iron.....please, mine is bigger than yours, by a ratio of 6 to 1. You can keep the guppies, we will keep our 747's. You sir, I have a feeling would NOT be there to help your profession if and when the calling comes. People that post as you do generally have their heads in the sand, and their eyes on the Chief Pilots door. Perhaps I am wrong and you were just an abused child......I hope its the latter, then I truly do feel sorry for you... J Let's focus on the real threat to a good contract and it is NOT the UAL and CAL pilot group as whole |
Originally Posted by Attny
(Post 1133204)
Pardon me for dropping in again, but this particular forum doesn't translate well in the neutral observer/adult world.
As an aviation buff and some prior business, I'm lightly familiar with some of the issues being discussed. However, some on this thread are doing a great impersonation of a few first graders in a too-small sandbox. A few more adults and a few less children might do wonders. Seriously, this is a public website. You guys are running a high risk of doing yourselves a disservice. I fly the new UAL a lot (and the former CAL and former UAL). I'm having a difficult time establishing an adult connection between who and what I see entering the flight deck and what I'm observing on this forum. |
Originally Posted by Attny
(Post 1133204)
Pardon me for dropping in again, but this particular forum doesn't translate well in the neutral observer/adult world.
As an aviation buff and some prior business, I'm lightly familiar with some of the issues being discussed. However, some on this thread are doing a great impersonation of a few first graders in a too-small sandbox. A few more adults and a few less children might do wonders. Seriously, this is a public website. You guys are running a high risk of doing yourselves a disservice. I fly the new UAL a lot (and the former CAL and former UAL). I'm having a difficult time establishing an adult connection between who and what I see entering the flight deck and what I'm observing on this forum. Enjoy the friendly skies. |
Originally Posted by Attny
(Post 1133204)
Pardon me for dropping in again, but this particular forum doesn't translate well in the neutral observer/adult world.
As an aviation buff and some prior business, I'm lightly familiar with some of the issues being discussed. However, some on this thread are doing a great impersonation of a few first graders in a too-small sandbox. A few more adults and a few less children might do wonders. Seriously, this is a public website. You guys are running a high risk of doing yourselves a disservice. I fly the new UAL a lot (and the former CAL and former UAL). I'm having a difficult time establishing an adult connection between who and what I see entering the flight deck and what I'm observing on this forum. |
Originally Posted by Attny
(Post 1133204)
Pardon me for dropping in again, but this particular forum doesn't translate well in the neutral observer/adult world.
As an aviation buff and some prior business, I'm lightly familiar with some of the issues being discussed. However, some on this thread are doing a great impersonation of a few first graders in a too-small sandbox. A few more adults and a few less children might do wonders. Seriously, this is a public website. You guys are running a high risk of doing yourselves a disservice. I fly the new UAL a lot (and the former CAL and former UAL). I'm having a difficult time establishing an adult connection between who and what I see entering the flight deck and what I'm observing on this forum. |
Originally Posted by Attny
(Post 1133204)
Pardon me for dropping in again, but this particular forum doesn't translate well in the neutral observer/adult world.
As an aviation buff and some prior business, I'm lightly familiar with some of the issues being discussed. However, some on this thread are doing a great impersonation of a few first graders in a too-small sandbox. A few more adults and a few less children might do wonders. Seriously, this is a public website. You guys are running a high risk of doing yourselves a disservice. I fly the new UAL a lot (and the former CAL and former UAL). I'm having a difficult time establishing an adult connection between who and what I see entering the flight deck and what I'm observing on this forum. I was embarrassed and disgusted with the behavior I witness that day... I guess what I am trying to say is that I understand your observation clearly... |
Originally Posted by jaykris
(Post 1133196)
You can keep the guppies, we will keep our 747's.
J 747's: you can try to keep them, but as part of the original discussion, I don't think they will survive the merger long-term. CAL parked theirs, along with anything that is old or has more than two engines. Its a money thing. I don't like the CAL way of marketing airframes and routes, but I have no say in the matter. CAL always has the smallest airframe in any given market, but they do make money, so what more can I say? |
Originally Posted by catan
(Post 1133226)
I'm with you and If I were you, I'd fly Delta. Coffee is better over there and it's the only way to insure not flying with a CAL/ex-CAL pilot. JMHO
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Originally Posted by Attny
(Post 1133204)
Pardon me for dropping in again, but this particular forum doesn't translate well in the neutral observer/adult world.
As an aviation buff and some prior business, I'm lightly familiar with some of the issues being discussed. However, some on this thread are doing a great impersonation of a few first graders in a too-small sandbox. A few more adults and a few less children might do wonders. Seriously, this is a public website. You guys are running a high risk of doing yourselves a disservice. I fly the new UAL a lot (and the former CAL and former UAL). I'm having a difficult time establishing an adult connection between who and what I see entering the flight deck and what I'm observing on this forum. Much has changed in the industry of the last 30+ years...expanded markets, new equipment technology and comm tools to name just a few. Unfortunately, with the expanding industry came a corresponding reduction in qualifications including personal maturity. As pilots, sometimes I think we're very lucky that the improved technology has a tendency to offset some of the maturity, discipline issues. I can assure you that the vast majority of my peers are solid, mature, disciplined professionals. What you see here is not commonplace. Although my peers can speak for themselves, I certainly appreciate your business at the new UAL. Thanks for buying and I hope you keep coming back. |
Originally Posted by Attny
(Post 1133204)
Pardon me for dropping in again, but this particular forum doesn't translate well in the neutral observer/adult world.
As an aviation buff and some prior business, I'm lightly familiar with some of the issues being discussed. However, some on this thread are doing a great impersonation of a few first graders in a too-small sandbox. A few more adults and a few less children might do wonders. Seriously, this is a public website. You guys are running a high risk of doing yourselves a disservice. I fly the new UAL a lot (and the former CAL and former UAL). I'm having a difficult time establishing an adult connection between who and what I see entering the flight deck and what I'm observing on this forum. The rough and tumble banter that you read here may put you and other non-pilot observers off, but it is not indicative of behavior in the cockpit. Yes, many of us are disgusted with the state of OUR profession and the atmosphere at UCH, but we compartmentalize those thoughts and get down to business when we fly. We are professional pilots, not altar boys, and we don't wear three-piece suits. We don't have much tolerance for corporate/legal doubletalk and BS, or for weaklings within our ranks. So if you don't like the way we sometimes interact with each other on this forum, feel free to stay off it. |
Originally Posted by UASnake
(Post 1133316)
Counselor,
The rough and tumble banter that you read here may put you and other non-pilot observers off, but it is not indicative of behavior in the cockpit. Yes, many of us are disgusted with the state of OUR profession and the atmosphere at UCH, but we compartmentalize those thoughts and get down to business when we fly. We are professional pilots, not altar boys, and we don't wear three-piece suits. We don't have much tolerance for corporate/legal doubletalk and BS, or for weaklings within our ranks. So if you don't like the way we sometimes interact with each other on this forum, feel free to stay off it. |
Mr/Ms Attny, you should visit the Southwest vs Airtran, Delta vs Southwest or UsAir vs UsAir threads. I think you'll see that we at "The New United" are actually quite civilized. Now would someone please pass the Grey Poupon?:p
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Did someone say french fries...........?
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Originally Posted by Ottopilot
(Post 1133234)
Only UAL calls 737's guppies. I'm not sure why. The -500 looks like one, but the other 200 planes don't. I had a little A319 call my -900ER a guppy in SFO. If a -900 is a guppy, so is the 757. Same airframe. Same seats.
747's: you can try to keep them, but as part of the original discussion, I don't think they will survive the merger long-term. CAL parked theirs, along with anything that is old or has more than two engines. Its a money thing. I don't like the CAL way of marketing airframes and routes, but I have no say in the matter. CAL always has the smallest airframe in any given market, but they do make money, so what more can I say? The Guppy is an awesome plane though. I spent 11 years on it. It is like my Harley Softtail. Fun on short rides but sucks if you are strapped to it for 5 hours straight. My rear end would get used to it nicely at SWA rates I have to admit. |
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