Paybanding question.
 

747-400. MGTOW 875,000 LBS, 416 PAX
767-400. MGTOW 450,000 LBS, 245 PAX

Why should these two aircraft pay the same? Please, am I missing something?

Both you and J. Pos are in complete agreement. J. said he would be willing to correct the pay banding issue after the SLI is finalized.

You fully understand the situation.

If both airplanes paid the same and at the 747 rate, would pay banding be bad then?

Please do not attack me. However, I believe the whole industry is stuck in a negative paradigm. Your worth is based on what size aircraft you fly! How absolutely ridiculous. Pay a fair, substantially higher than current contract, rate and QOL improves exponentially because you are not forced to "chase the seat" to make a decent living. This model seems to work for UPS.

Last I checked, the responsibilities were the same. I believe this would make Junior/Senior less of an issue, reduce infighting, and allow us to concentrate on the company. However, the down side... Save the airline money; we could ask for this be put toward the pilot contract. Also, less training... Fewer training events... Fewer instructors.

NOW is the TIME! Don't kick the can down the road... Contracts take too long to negotiate.
This is what is putting this country in jeopardy!

No attack here, just explanation! I am on the 777 and I would support higher pay for more seats. Of course, in my case, only the 747 would be higher, but I still wouldn't want to bring them down to the 777 rate. I remember at CAL all positions were paid the same without considerarion for equipment. We were able to get that changed to reflect aircraft size (narrow body vs. wide body, then large narrow body). The historical methodology in the industry, long before UPS and the after BK I for CAL, was the payrate was based on the revenue sharing for the equipment size. The more seats the more the crew cost for carrying that revenue. Anyone else want to weigh in?

Hasn't this already been hatched out and agreed upon by both MEC's?

Given that there are 70+ 777's, a ton of 767's, orders fo 50 787's as well as A350's and given that there are currently about 19 747's with no indication of more on order, why wouldn't we try to lump them together and get the highest rates you can for the majority of the widebodies?

Many here feel that only the "select few" should be paid well. I can carry just as many (or more) passengers in my B-737ER's in a day, but someone carrying 350 passengers who spends a third of his flight in a bunk or sitting in a f/c seat sleeping, deserves more money? I get to bust my butt changing planes up to four times in a day, briefing just as many flight attendants, and doing a WHOLE LOT MORE WORK for a lot less and this is considered fair? To go even further, the "heavy" pilots are only working two out of their three days, so let's break this down even further. If I fly four legs the first day, three the next, and three the last day, I've flown a total of ten legs. If I'm on the 800/900's for all ten legs, I have flown approximately 1600 passengers (assuming approx 90% load factor) or MORE than DOUBLE what the heavy guys carried (700 or so round trip for them). We also carry a lot of premium passengers but will have over 200 FC seats available or more than double what the heavies will have over the same time frame. We also carry a LOT of mail and cargo, so we make money there too. I just find it interesting that everyone thinks the heavy pilots are the only ones who should make any money when it's the small/mid aircraft that are doing all the work. Besides, everyone can't fly the big boys, so why not make it FAIR for ALL? Maybe we should just say that the more legs you fly, the more you'd make......................then you'd see those heavy pilots scrambling for the smaller aircraft and THEY would be screaming that they do all the work and deserve more money. I also have a hard time seeing an FO whose main responsibility is to assist the captain, making more money than captains on smaller aircraft who are responsible for a whole lot more. JMHO.........................;)

That's a laugh. How is he going to change a major section of the contract after it's been signed?

I guess carrying 350,000 lbs more fuel is that much more difficult? ;)