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Originally Posted by EWR73FO
(Post 1137218)
Does UAL not have 10-15 777 aircraft that aren't ETOPS qualified?
Originally Posted by gettinbumped
(Post 1137859)
No.
I have zero interest in getting involved in this totally worthless "my toy is bigger than your toy" discussion. Just to correct this observation: UAL's widebody's are all ETOPS certified (not that it matters, really). Not all the 757's are ETOPS, but they are not "widebody" by definition I 'think' the reference/confusion made above was referring to some of the s-UA B777's that don't have "bunks" (dedicated crew rest), thus making them sub 12 hour birds. Again, just a guess.....ETOPs.....Dedicated Crew Rest.;) |
Originally Posted by SoCalGuy
(Post 1137861)
Just a wild-arse guess.....
I 'think' the reference/confusion made above was referring to some of the s-UA B777's that don't have "bunks" (dedicated crew rest), thus making them sub 12 hour birds. Again, just a guess.....ETOPs.....Dedicated Crew Rest.;) One of the lessons we could learn here at s-CAL about long haul operations. As you know, we voted to give away the 1st class(Businessfirst) seat for rest if they could sell all the premium cabin seats on the 757/767 and accept 3 seats in coach as part of our concessionary contract. All our 777's have bunks and the 737 did not give up the 1st class seat for rest(yes, the aircraft does 3 man international turns that are very popular). Of course, all the union negotiators were 737 pilots. Our 756 group took the largest hit without a doubt. Again, we need to base all on board crew rest facility contractual language on the s-UAL contract. |
Originally Posted by IAHB756
(Post 1137882)
One of the lessons we could learn here at s-CAL about long haul operations. As you know, we voted to give away the 1st class(Businessfirst) seat for rest if they could sell all the premium cabin seats on the 757/767 and accept 3 seats in coach as part of our concessionary contract. All our 777's have bunks and the 737 did not give up the 1st class seat for rest(yes, the aircraft does 3 man international turns that are very popular). Of course, all the union negotiators were 737 pilots. Our 756 group took the largest hit without a doubt. Again, we need to base all on board crew rest facility contractual language on the s-UAL contract.
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Originally Posted by Lemon1
(Post 1137889)
You speak well for the CAL MEC and seem to have a good handle on the CAL contract, current TPA deal and CAL administration. Are you management, CAL MEC or LEC rep?
I am none of the above. I am well versed on the rest seat issues from first hand experience having flown the aircraft that was affected by the concessionary contract. Even when the 757/767 had a dedicated seat in the Businessfirst cabin, it wasn't standardized and had no privacy curtain etc. That is why I bring up the S-UAL language and think that should be the baseline. |
Originally Posted by 13n144e
(Post 1137547)
oh for god's sake, dexim, don't be such an idiot. 757driver was just pointing out the obvious - don't make a big stink over your sli opinions on the line. It's just good crm. When i've occasionally flown with the returning ual furloughee, i avoid the whole topic like the plague.
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Originally Posted by ualratt
(Post 1137463)
Hey Boss, Out of curiosity, weren't those the same B757s that were running out of gas simply trying to cross the North Atlantic recently? Headlines!! "Dozens of Continental Airlines flights to the East Coast from Europe have been forced to make unexpected stops in Canada and elsewhere to take on fuel..." "757s had to stop 43 times..." Then, reminiscent of the 1920s and 30s, CO Ops placing blame on mother nature - something about winds??
Guess LUAL's idea was why spend the money for 757 ETOPS certification if at the very least, the crossings themselves are troublesome in weather worse than clear and calm. Just guessing... I don't think you'll find many L-CAL pilots who are thrilled beyond words about 757 TA flying. We all know the company is stretching the limits on those airplanes. It's just been by luck that we haven't had the issues we have had this winter in previous years. But you know, we get paid by the minute right? It's not hurting the pilots' bottom line, only the company and the passenger. We go to work and do the job they tell us. |
Originally Posted by SoCalGuy
(Post 1137861)
Just a wild-arse guess.....
I 'think' the reference/confusion made above was referring to some of the s-UA B777's that don't have "bunks" (dedicated crew rest), thus making them sub 12 hour birds. Again, just a guess.....ETOPs.....Dedicated Crew Rest.;) The new seats are quite nice. My only issue is I didn't get any sleep because there were so many movies to watch and they kept feeding me! Not bad problems to have! |
Originally Posted by gettinbumped
(Post 1137921)
Huh. Not a 777 driver so not sure. I was on a 777 last night in one of the new seats and the pilots rest seat was next to me in 1st class. I don't know if they can/do block off 2 seats for over 12 though. From what I hear, the 777 bunk (unlike the 747 bunk) is not terribly restful. I can't imagine the 3 seats in coach are restful either!!! THAT has to go in this next contract!!
The new seats are quite nice. My only issue is I didn't get any sleep because there were so many movies to watch and they kept feeding me! Not bad problems to have! Flights scheduled over 12 hours require a bunk. I believe some of the s-UAL 777's are operating certain routes on these "domestic" 777's under an agreement with the company and using 1st class seats for rest on flights over 8 hours but less than 12. s-CAL 777's have bunks but the FA's will also reserve an open businessfirst seat(lie flat) for the pilots to watch movies and read etc. if they don't want to(or cannot) sleep in the dark bunk. Was this a CAL or UAL 777? |
Originally Posted by IAHB756
(Post 1137923)
Flights scheduled over 12 hours require a bunk. I believe some of the s-UAL 777's are operating certain routes on these "domestic" 777's under an agreement with the company and using 1st class seats for rest on flights over 8 hours but less than 12. s-CAL 777's have bunks but the FA's will also reserve an open businessfirst seat(lie flat) for the pilots to watch movies and read etc. if they don't want to(or cannot) sleep in the dark bunk. Was this a CAL or UAL 777?
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