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CleCapt 02-18-2012 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 1137213)
Non Etops. I suppose that if its repeated over and over and long enough than it must be true eh? Kind of like Iraq and WMD I guess.

So all those planes on the tracks at night, how DO they do it??

I have absolutely no idea how many non/etops planes Ual has, maybe you can enlighten us all with the facts.

Ual has some non etops 757 and 767 airplanes

CAL has all etops 757 and 767 airplanes

I do know that there are A LOT of OLD, inefficient airplanes on the Ual side of the fence.

catan 02-18-2012 05:59 AM


Originally Posted by Coto Pilot (Post 1137214)
Legacy United pilots deserve credit for their time on the property. We were sacrificed to position United for the Continental merger. Jay Pierce is on record as saying it is a good thing that the merger committees were put in place during the first round of negotiations in I think it was 2008, and never terminated. The TWA pilots won a suit against ALPA and the settlement is being negotiated, they don't have to go back to American.

Many UAL types are on your side with this. Don't ever think you guys are at the mercy or grace of the company or CAL pilots for that matter.

catan 02-18-2012 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by EWR73FO (Post 1137216)
So when the latest deal (TPA TA) that your Jay approved, sees the light of day, your gonna be ok with it? As of three plus years ago, we were number two in the industry on 737 pay. Kinda hard to change that without a new CBA. And no, an RJ outfit is the one that does all of your 70+ seat flying and our 50+ seat flying. If your are going to continue to use this analogy, please understand our 737's have more seats than some of your 757's and all of your Airbus fleet or are they all RJ's too?

You are one angry young man; most here would agree that you direct that anger at the wrong people. Or is that your intent?

Whole thread on this - Don't support the TA TPA - It's a side deal cooked up by company and sold to Pierce to push Heppner in that direction. Don't need JCBA if we do this kind of stuff.

bkaz 02-18-2012 06:09 AM

No. That is a false rumor your side continues to spread. All 777's and 767's are etops. Some have two class cabins, some three. They are all etops aircraft. Only a small percentage of the 757's are Etops because The only flying they do where etops is needed is to Hawaii. You guys talk like that somehow makes the aircraft inferior. It is really a matter of what you use that for. Why would you want to pay extra to maintain etops status on an aircraft that never flies anywhere the certification is needed?

EWR73FO 02-18-2012 06:12 AM


Originally Posted by catan (Post 1137225)
Whole thread on this - Don't support the TA TPA - It's a side deal cooked up by company and sold to Pierce to push Heppner in that direction. Don't need JCBA if we do this kind of stuff.


Do you know who shot JFK?

catan 02-18-2012 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by EWR73FO (Post 1137232)
Do you know who shot JFK?

No, but it must have been a relative of a CAL pilot!

catan 02-18-2012 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by bkaz (Post 1137229)
No. That is a false rumor your side continues to spread. All 777's and 767's are etops. Some have two class cabins, some three. They are all etops aircraft. Only a small percentage of the 757's are Etops because The only flying they do where etops is needed is to Hawaii. You guys talk like that somehow makes the aircraft inferior. It is really a matter of what you use that for. Why would you want to pay extra to maintain etops status on an aircraft that never flies anywhere the certification is needed?

Thanks for educating these guys - worth repeating.

CALFO 02-18-2012 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by bkaz (Post 1137229)
No. That is a false rumor your side continues to spread. All 777's and 767's are etops. Some have two class cabins, some three. They are all etops aircraft. Only a small percentage of the 757's are Etops because The only flying they do where etops is needed is to Hawaii. You guys talk like that somehow makes the aircraft inferior. It is really a matter of what you use that for. Why would you want to pay extra to maintain etops status on an aircraft that never flies anywhere the certification is needed?

Darn, I was pinning all my seniority hopes on the ETOPS status of the UAL birds. I think ETOPS status is part of the ALPA merger policy, isn't it. Oh well.

Ottopilot 02-18-2012 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by bkaz (Post 1137229)
Why would you want to pay extra to maintain etops status on an aircraft that never flies anywhere the certification is needed?

Good question. Why does CAL maintain ETOPS on the whole 737NG fleet? Other than Hawaii, which is new to the 737, I've never seen an ETOPS leg in it. Some Guam flying, which isn't much. Maybe Caribbean when Bermuda is down, but that's rare. I wonder how much it costs?

bkaz 02-18-2012 06:33 AM

I guess that reply was sarcastic. I never said anything about SLI. Just tired of you all making false claims over and over again. Excuse me for trying to throw some facts into this thread.


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