Has UAL ALPA settled any grievances since the T&PA was drafted?

 

EWR

"Now, if you have concerns about the way it was calculated under a merged profit sharing scenario in the combined company that is a different issue that needs to be taken up with management. If you feel your share of the profits should have been bigger that is a separate issue and is not really related to a particular work group but rather all work groups. "

You have accurately stated what the issue and the grievance is about.

It is sad to me that Pierce (and you possibly) would pull out and withdraw support of a grievance process which will in the end benefit ALL the pilots of United Airlines.

 

You can't say any of this yet. Our lawyers obviously felt that there was inaccuracies in the way the profit sharing was distributed that was in violation of our contract. Whether that was due to the CAL pilots getting profit sharing or not is irrelevant to me. The grievance process will answer that question. Our lawyers also felt that the method the CAL pilots obtained profit sharing was in violation of TPA protocol. Again, we will see if that holds water.

I really don't care about either of these things. I'm glad you folks got profit sharing. Any dollar that goes to either pilot group and out of Jeff's paycheck makes me smile. But it is TOTAL BS for Pearce to write what he wrote after doing what he has done.

 

You were all warned about the CAL MEC and Pierce. It's time all United pilots stand up and say "enough is enough". Pierce has got to go. He is hurting the collective United pilot group.

 

Totally agree that any dollar that goes to a pilot is a good thing.

However, Jay Pierce did EXACTLY what he is required to do - follow the direction given him by the CAL MEC.

The UAL MEC has filed a grievance. The CAL MEC doesn't have to be happy about it. Jay can be "saddened" by it. Regardless, the grievance will work it's way through the system and we will all see if there is any merit. When this grievance is finally put to bed, I sure hope that some of you will let it go and be more concerned with the JCBA.

 

Nice parting shot.
I can tell you that the NC has a laser-like focus on the JCBA, despite your attempt to minimize our concern.
If the company does an end-run around the T&PA, then I would expect my MEC to grieve it.
If the company operates counter to status quo requirements, then I would expect my MEC to pursue whatever action is appropriate to hold the company accountable.
I would be surprised if the CAL pilots expected anything less if the shoe was on the other foot.
In the meantime, the NC will continue to focus exclusively on the JCBA without distraction.

Hog

 

No parting shot and you missed the point. The grievance will be heard soon, on the expedited basis of the TPA. I would always expect that any MEC should grieve anything they have issues with. What I said was that I hope that once the grievance has a ruling, the pilots like you will be more concerned about the JCBA.

 

From the outside, it looks like the keyboard warriors here are doing plenty enough of that on their own...

Didn't your group(s) get the message? Daytime soap operas are so 1980's....

 

You've just illustrated my complaint. Jay can't sit on his kingdom and condescendingly say that we should let these trivial matters go and focus on the JCBA. When it was the CAL pilots who have an issue that needs resolving, it's apparently ok to 1) openly threaten to grind talks to a halt until the UAL pilots agree with the CAL pilots position on pay banding. 2) break out of TPA required tri-lateral talks to secure profit sharing for the CAL pilots. 3) file a grievance over 70 seaters in EWR and CLE. All of these things were outside the JCBA and Pearce felt needed attending to. I'm not arguing the fact that these things needed to be addressed (though I thought that the method of handling issues 1 and 2 were exceptionally poor). But now that the UAL pilots need to file a REACTIONARY grievance to deal with the fallout, Pearce is concerned about anything that might slow down a JCBA?? Come on. It's hypocritical, selfish, childish, condescending, and obnoxious. I too want nothing more than to get going on the JCBA, but if we need to defend our contract, we have the right to... just like the CAL pilots do. Pearce demands courtesy, and gives none.

I'm done with this conversation. I've had great experiences with the CAL pilots I've met. I really hope and believe we are all pulling on the same end of the rope for the same purpose. But Pearce needs to get some class. He's done more to set back the JCBA than I thought any one pilot could, so his crying about UAL pilots defending their contract due to HIS rogue actions doesn't hold much water with me.

 

We will be. Just as you were more concerned about the JCBA AFTER you got your profit sharing.