UAX employees get seniority jump on mainline!
 

Here's the deal...Express guy lists on UAX flt operated by his company he shows up as an "SA0X". Puts him ahead of mainline guy. That's not the problem. Here's the problem. If he lists round trip and the return flt is a mainline UA flt he still shows up as an "SA0X" on the mainline flt and goes ahead of any mainline guys not using vac passes. Saw it for myself. Mesa guy is #2 on the list behind a P.S. Stby. The other 20 or so UAL employees w/1986-1997 seniority are below him. Even he was baffled by this. Other commuters are seeing this happen as well. Being Spring Break I wonder how many UA families have been left behind/spit up because of this. Spoke to union rep about it today. I politely confronted the Mesa guy and he acknowledged that it was not right. UAX guys need to list each way in these situations. This needs to be fixed ASAP!

life is so good at AE/AA in regards to nonrev bennies.......for now at least

I saw this happen with a COEX F/A a couple of days ago. Full out of MIA with several "mainline" passriders standing by. The agent had to offer the Express FA a seat before any mainline passriders! I asked the agent why and she said it was the "boarding priority". I had told the FA that the jumpseat was available and I'd appreciate it if she'd use it so I could get more passriders on. She seemed a bit "ticked", but took the JS................. Funny, but at Express, they ALL go on before me. ????????

Another, glitch when listing for the jumpseat...You can not list for the jumpseat on a mainline flight if the itinerary has an express flight in it...

Does anybody have a list of the boarding codes or is there a simple way to interpret them? "SA0X"

Here is what I have from the PSS Update from February:

Vacation pass for co-workers & retirees SA0V
Leisure for co-workers SA1P
Leisure for retirees SA2R
Unaccompanied eligible riders traveling on vacation pass SA3V
Unaccompanied eligible riders traveling on leisure pass SA4P
Adult children on buddy pass SA4P
Express carrier eligible pass riders SA5X
Extended family on buddy pass SA6F
Regular buddy pass SA7U
Service charge waived pass SA9W

[PS/SA][#][Letter][YEAR]

Example: PS5B05 Employee on business travel 2005 Travel Date
Example: SA1P90 Employee leisure travel 1990 Travel Date

PS = Positive Space
SA = Space Available

0-9 Highest to lowest priority

B - Business
E - Emergency
V - Vacation
P - Personal/Leisure
R - Retiree
S - Temporary Short-Term Employee
X - Regional Partner (United Express)
A - Star Alliance Partner
F - Extended Family Buddy
U - Unaccompanied Regular Buddy
Z - Other Airline (ZED)
W - Service Charge Waived

Note: there are also four additional letter codes associated with PS deadhead travel (PS0) for crewmembers

A - Flight Attendant
C - Captain
F - First Officer
R - Associated with reserve FAs and FOs under certain DH circumstances


FYI, from what I understand, Express employees will show highest priority on Express (SA0X) but their regular lower priority on mainline. In addition, when you use employeeRES to list for flights, expanding the pass rider list will show you where your priority will fall on that list using various options and the priority codes for each person listed.

Thanks You!

Our Union put a message about this last week telling us that it is incorrect and we need to speak up. I enjoy the benefits your company gives us and will bring this up if it occurs on my listings. There is an agreement and it needs to be respected.

Gee, this same thing happened in reverse a few years ago when UAL pilots were getting the Jumpseat ahead of some OO pilots on OO metal (of course the seats were paid for by UAL, but that is a diffent debate) due to computer programming issues. I remember getting RIPPED by a few OO Captains when I jumpseated, and passed a piece of paper saying that we were going to be denied the Jumpseat if we didn't fix the problem....which of course we have no control over.

Yes, I still remember.

We appreciate it. Thank you

So here's a circumstance to consider:
I'm sitting on the west coast (PDT) looking at a flight tomorrow SFO to Maui (I know, it's h--- being retired).
The flight is about 25.5 hours from now.
I believe that the blue check mark next to someones name means they are checked in.
There is already someone with a blue check mark.
So boy, does that open a can of worms.
This whole time of check in thing is absurd.

If they are listed on a multiple segment itinerary with the same confirmation number, they are going to show checked in for the connecting flight even if that flight is more than 24 hours away. Example: IAH-LAX-OGG. Check in 24 hours before for the IAH-LAX flight and the passrider is going to show checked in for the LAX-OGG flight as well.

It shouldn't open up a can of worms if the priority list is followed correctly.

Don't hesitate to tell the gate agent it's wrong and a snafu and confront the regional pilot as well. Hopefully will be corrected soon. I am from the school if the Rj has our name on it, we get the highest priority but that is another story.

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It does not open up a can of worms, but for retirees it is different. If two retirees show up for a flight with the same "board year" then the one that checks-in first goes first. They should have keep the month/date of hire and adjusted the board year - would have made is simple in these rare cases.

It's not just retirees. Active employees are dealing with the same BS. I hear that it will be fixed sometime in the future to go back to DATE of hire. What a crock.

"I hear that it will be fixed sometime in the future to go back to DATE of hire"

Why is it an airline half the size of United (at one time a third the size of United) came in and broke what wasn't broken? "I heard it will be fixed..." seems to be the mantra and excuse for everything at the "New United."

United Airlines had the infrastructure, the res-system, the training facilities and industry leading practices, an enviable safety record, the aircraft seating (first, business and econ+) desired by the traveling public and yes even an employee pass-travel seniority system which was fair to almost 100,000 employees at its peak. But now its broke?

I could go on but is the New United Management really saving money by breaking all the stuff which worked and retraining two-thirds of its employees on a broke system, with a promise to fix it in the future (and bring it back to the standard already in place at United)?

I guess I just don't get it at all????

The new pass travel system is a complete joke. I'd rather show up at the airport and draw a lottery ball for seating priority. That would be more consistent and fair than the current system.

A ramper who has 6 months with the company has higher priority than a retiree who gave 30 years to the company. That is so wrong!!

It's time to start from scratch on the pass travel system.

Go thing you do not work at AA. Because at AA/AE everyone works for AMR CORP and passes are issued the same to ALL AMR employees. Also nothing is by DOH, it is entirely by when you check in, and you can check in up to 24 hours in advance. That means a flight on AA from JFK-LAX, a brand new Eagle pilot can be getting on before a 30 year AA pilot. The jumpseat is different, but non reving that is how it works here. I have to say, NOONE COMPLAINS.

Because it was so screwed up that a company over 1/2 its size came in and bought them out. You should be happy you didnt get stapled.

Just remember they BOUGHT YOU. You were a failed company, arguably ignited by the summer from hell.

Sorry you never got to work for a good airline. Timing is everything!

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"Just remember they BOUGHT YOU."

Come on now let's just get the facts straight here. A airline over 1/2 the size of United without the financing in place to pay for the airplanes they were to take delivery on in 2012 BOUGHT UAL? Dude don't take any drug tests or you just might be on the street.

The facts are UAL management sold out to pocket over 40 million dollars in bonuses in ONE YEAR!!! Made Jeff's seem like chicken feed last year.

I am 23 and work at Eagle and am taking home about $3500/month now with 401k matching and a college degree from Penn State.

Make sure you don't let any facts get in your way. Geeez

Hang in there and you'll be ok. You need to get as far away from eagle as possible.

I've deduced from your posts on other threads that you have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Proved once again here. And I'm not even going to bother to set you straight.

The big problem is, simply, they don't care when it comes to anything and everything about their employees. In turn, that has forced me (and I'm guessing you) to not care about anything and everything that has to do with United Airlines.

Might I suggest that you use that keyboard in front of you to do a tiny bit of research on the facts of the transaction before you post? I'd start with google and the NYT or WSJ. The facts of the transaction are in black and white. The "who bought who" part is there and where the money came from.

Not that any of the details matter at this point, but when you post something so stupid and easily verified it makes the rest of us think you're the village idiot. Either that or you're too lazy to get the facts and too arrogant to think you can come on here set us straight.

You were 11 years old during the summer of love. Don't tell those of us who were flying the line that year what happened. And don't tell us what was wrong with our airline. You don't have a clue.

Dude, wise up. You're so far out in left field that we need binoculars to see you.

James can't believe some of what he reads on this forum. While there used to be a certain amount of high school bravado and uninformed management wannabe's present, now we need to read from the Candyland crowd as well.

The "new" system definately has a bunch of problems that need to be fixed.. For instance I saw a gate agent(ord) trying to deny an offline pilot the j/s because they were told all pilots and f/a's were to list online from that day fwd... Lucky for the AA guy the Capt. was strolling up to the gate..You cant list OMC online. maybe mainline guys can... Also as a commuter, and a UAX pilot (XJT) I feel the pain with the boarding priorities. I am used to boarding after retirees,non-accompanied pass riders and anyone else other then offline folks.. It would be nice, since we provide lift for ua to have a little bit of priority when commuting to/from work. But that's the agreement our management teams put together for us.

+1, +2, +3 and +4

So where do you see yourself fitting in? Priority for commuting to work?

You guys should just go to a system of when you check in.

Says the young Jr copilot.

yet I do not hear senior guys at AA complain. It is the most fair. It requires everyone to choice what they want to do 24 hours out. Not this changing plans/changing listings last second, or listing yourself and 10 kids 3 hours prior to departure because you have been here 30 years.

Its easy to plan and the most fair.

No worries we are running that right up to the ceo office, we need as many suggestions from american eagles guys as we can get, thx for all your concern

Glad to know you still have a sense of humor, most of you are in so much pain from your back pain after sitting on those fat wallets that you are dead as door knobs. You must be the 777 CA exception!

On an actual serious note, and not troll note, UAL guys the entire industry is hoping to god you get a grasp on scope. Please do.

What happens if I happen to be airborne at work 24 hours prior? Some United Express guy should get my seat just because he happened to be by the keyboard?

Quite frankly, I don't care what you think and what works best for you as a 23 year old Eagle FO. I don't even care what 30 year AMR Captains think. We are a seniority driven company in a seniority driven industry. And I'm not that senior!! What I find totally galling is getting bumped off a United Express RJ on a route that we used to fly by a 6 month FO. Why? Because my company bought the seats!! When the 49ers charter an airplane, should I be allowed on it as a non-rev? No, because they bought the jet from us for the day.

You are rather quick to sling the mud around here regarding who bought who because who's house was a mess and who caused what with the summer of love. For starters, your assessments have been mostly flat out wrong. For enders, I'd start worrying much more about what is going on at your own house. The poo is just starting to flow downhill at AMR. USAirways is knocking on the door, and THAT is going to be a total s-storm.

I was 23 at a regional once. Having the time of my life, and wondering what all the grouching was about. Back then we didn't have the internet to play around on, which is a good and bad thing. I didn't have a CLUE how much I didn't know, so I understand where you are coming from. A little unsolicited advice which you can choose to ignore if you want - it makes no difference to me. There are a TON of guys who have been through a LOT in this profession that have a wealth of knowledge that you can learn from. My advice? Less typing. More reading.

Who do you think he works for, SWA? Our 777 rates are a total joke. He is so underpaid it should be criminal.

As far as scope.... Again, less typing more reading.

I don't really think he's talking about the regional partner employee bumping a mainline employee on a mainline flight. As you said, L-UAL is a seniority driven company, AA is not as far as non-rev pass travel goes.

True, as part as during the BK goes, especially round two. But before that, come on man. I've read PLENTY of your posts where possibly more consideration should have been given when it came down to the vote. Either in the midterm ESOP/HJS/Heavy jets for RJ's, or on the big fat paycheck of 2000 for the relaxation.