You are correct...referring only to per DIEM and hotels. Without question, UAL hires got a much better deal than our own returning furloughees...

I wasn't aware of that. Can you give more details?

First yr pay and still on probation upon return.....

We're they on probationary pay longer than a cumulative year, or did they get credit for time served? In other words, did all the cal furloughs on 1st year pay, spend another year AFTER returning on 1st yr pay?

They just picked up where they left off when they were furloughed. And now they are just waiting for the ISL where they hope to be senior to all the 2000 hires at United that are still furloughed.

Nope, not worse. Anyone on first year pay furloughed from LUAL will spend another year at first year pay. There are some with 14 months of first year pay who were about to get off of probation that will have another full year of first year pay at LCAL unless there's a JCBA.

Okay, I'll be the devil's advocate here. Suppose you were hired at CAL in 2005, have seven years of longevity at CAL, and now pilots who were hired at UAL in 99 or later and had only been on property two or three years before they were furloughed, were being told they would go in FRONT of you when you clearly have MORE years on property, what would you think? It's going to be interesting to say the least................:o

I think what WE think doesn't matter and that you must be a real hoot to fly with. You're not being the devils advocate, you're just being a tool.

I was hired in mid-2000. I have almost 5 years on property. I was one of the last cut in 2002; if I had made that cut I'd have ~6 years on property.
99 hires should have >7 years on property as of the merger announcement in 2010. A 2005 LCAL hire had 5 years on property in 2010.

With all of that stated, I previously posted that the one topic to NEVER discuss is SLI. You don't have any control over it nor does anyone else on this website have control over it. It won't even be addressed until after the JCBA. The JCBA is the 5 meter target; SLI is 5000 miles away.
The only ones who have control over SLI are the lawyers and the arbitration board. JCBA will have zero effect on SLI. You and I have zero control over SLI.

I'm not a religious person but you might want to reference an old prayer for guidance:
God, give us grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed,
Courage to change the things which should be changed,
and the Wisdom to distinguish the one from the other.

I was hired in 99. I have 8 yrs on property and almost 5 years of furlough time. Where should I go? In any case it will be up to the arbitrators.

Couldn't have said it better

You might be surprised Ace! Seems that anyone that doesn't agree with the almighty UAL pilots is a tool. You guys really need to get over yourselves......

EBP,

Frendo, you've tossed more stink bombs than anyone else I can think of on this forum. So don't be surprised when someone calls you out on it.

Admit it, that was a stupid thing to say. Just like your other post about training ....

<<"And the new UAL way..............except that it costs us ANOTHER DAY OFF without PAY................. Yep, let's go "practice" our checkride and do it all again the next day! From everyone I've talked to, the "extra day" is a joke. Are the L-UAL pilots so "unprepared" that they need a warmup session? THAT is scary...............">>

Now that was a real team builder wasn't it? As if we have anything at all to do with LCAL training schedules (thank your UCAL management) and the CAL contract which allows you guys to work for free. Sounds like a problem with your contract, not the LUAL pilots.

Then there was the beauty about the UAL guys going after the CAL pilots on the PS debacle We filed a grievance against UCAL management, not CAL pilots. A grievance that will help all the UAL pilots in the long run. Over and over UAL guys posted that they were not against your getting PS, only the way it was done.

Have a swell day! "ACE". (There ya go again)

I guess I don't see where "more years on property" has to do with anything. I thought it was called a "seniority list" not a "longevity list".

Because ALPA merger policy is inclusive of longevity as one of its foundational pieces.

Still doesn't explain how longevity affects seniority. They are two completely different things.