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oldmako 04-16-2012 05:25 PM

I think Heppner just chambered a round. I also think there's a good chance its a dud.

LeeMat 04-16-2012 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 1170351)
I think Heppner just chambered a round. I also think there's a good chance its a dud.

One one hand we have pierce saying how good things have been going lately and then we have this. If pierce and the CAL MEC don't do something similar very soon I think we are headed down the USAir / AmWest road. There goes any chance of shoving the pendulum back in the other direction.

Pessimistically yours,.

That good will and cooperation has been bought and paid for!

oldmako 04-16-2012 05:35 PM

No question that was something many were concerned about at the time. I'd like to think that this was a joint effort, but I haven't seen any meaningful evidence of working together at this point. Hence my cynicism.

757Driver 04-16-2012 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by Regularguy (Post 1170320)
Fellow CAL pilots are you not enraged by the actions of the UCH Management? You call this action of the UAL MEC as "self-congratulatory responses" and respond in a mocking manner?

I'm not referring to your MEC, I'm referring to the responses above from your own Pilots. I love the message that was just put out and as I said above, I'll be there every day of the week to strike with you guys.

Glad to see you participated in the '85 strike and if you didn't read about it, we had one too. Yours turned out one hell of a lot better than ours did but we still have plenty of guys still around who were out on strike for 2 full years. Thats a glaring fact that unfortunately seems to get lost amongst all the scab tales. How long were you out for?

We've got plenty of guys who struck, we also have plenty of guys who wear the star from Eastern. We hear you loud and clear but please stop discounting us. Yes we have a lot of scabs but they're down to around 10% of us or less so please keep that in mind when you're about to launch into a strike lecture. The overwhelming majority of us will be with you, picket signs proudly in hand.

SpecialTracking 04-16-2012 05:44 PM

I'm sure most cal pilots are fed up with Smizek. Question of the day is, is Little Lord Jay? What does he have to gain?

Lerxst 04-16-2012 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by LeeMat (Post 1170357)
That good will and cooperation has been bought and paid for!

Remember that Pierce said on 3/12 EXACTLY what the J(oint)NC put out less than a week later. The "J" means that your guys on the JNC Honeycutt(sp?) and Phil Otis also felt that things were going well as of late.

It was Heppner's message on 3/16 that was at complete odds with what had been recently put out by the CAL MC AND the JNC.

I like Heppners message on this, but BOTH SIDES need to get some comm discipline and put out ONE MESSAGE if they want the troops to fall in line instead of looking around saying ***!

There was no coordination on today's message between the MEC's from what my Rep just confirmed.

13n144e 04-16-2012 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by Lerxst (Post 1170374)
I like Heppners message on this, but BOTH SIDES need to get some comm discipline and put out ONE MESSAGE if they want the troops to fall in line instead of looking around saying ***!

There was no coordination on today's message between the MEC's from what my Rep just confirmed.

Completely agree. Why didn't both MEC's put out a message at the same time?
I thought (perhaps mistakenly) that the JNC initiated release, in other words it's a joint decision. Can a single MEC request release on it's own initiative?

Slammer 04-16-2012 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by Lerxst (Post 1170374)
Remember that Pierce said on 3/12 EXACTLY what the J(oint)NC put out less than a week later. The "J" means that your guys on the JNC Honeycutt(sp?) and Phil Otis also felt that things were going well as of late.

It was Heppner's message on 3/16 that was at complete odds with what had been recently put out by the CAL MC AND the JNC.

I like Heppners message on this, but BOTH SIDES need to get some comm discipline and put out ONE MESSAGE if they want the troops to fall in line instead of looking around saying ***!

There was no coordination on today's message between the MEC's from what my Rep just confirmed.

X2...my EWR rep ( no coordination between MECs)...

Pilotbiffster 04-16-2012 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot (Post 1170309)
Seriously guys, why all the smart-ass comments all the time against the CAL pilot group? Really doesn't bode well for you and is getting pretty old...................... :rolleyes:

See, your response pretty much summarizes why all the smart-ass comments against the CAL group. "Really doesn't bode well for you" ??
Like , you and the 735 CAL scabs are gonna keep the airline running ?
Rather than say "it doesn't bode well for YOU", you should be saying, "doesn't bode well for co-worker Jeff". We'll be taking pictures if you turn a wheel.

Pilotbiffster 04-16-2012 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 1170364)
I'm not referring to your MEC, I'm referring to the responses above from your own Pilots. I love the message that was just put out and as I said above, I'll be there every day of the week to strike with you guys.

Glad to see you participated in the '85 strike and if you didn't read about it, we had one too. Yours turned out one hell of a lot better than ours did but we still have plenty of guys still around who were out on strike for 2 full years. Thats a glaring fact that unfortunately seems to get lost amongst all the scab tales. How long were you out for?

We've got plenty of guys who struck, we also have plenty of guys who wear the star from Eastern. We hear you loud and clear but please stop discounting us. Yes we have a lot of scabs but they're down to around 10% of us or less so please keep that in mind when you're about to launch into a strike lecture. The overwhelming majority of us will be with you, picket signs proudly in hand.

Brother, I'll walk shoulder to shoulder with you. You're the kinda CAL pilot I'd like to fly with.

Frats

Robert


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