Originally Posted by SoCalGuy

OU, well put......

I can honestly say, I whole-heartedly agree with you on having "someone" within our Union ranks keeping a "better" JCBA out of our hands (SCOPE, R&I, Scheduling, Rules, Pay, ect....) is completely INEXCUSABLE.

Let's face it (and it's NO SECRET), over the last 10 days "The Hep" has come right out and told "JP" that he doesn't like him, doesn't trust him, and questions where he (JP) stands with Mgt. With that being known, we STILL have to get both MEC's together to get the 'game plan' 100% crystal clear so that both sides lock-step come June.

FACT: In speaking with a CAL-MEC member today, the following is true.....JP wants to be briefed 'alone' by JH regarding the plan.....JH says NO WAY. JH is wanting/insisting that he meets with the ENTIRE CAL-MEC for the briefing, and with that, I 100% agree with "The Hep" as the correct way of doing it. There has been a motion presented by some members of the CAL-MEC to have a "special session" within days to have "The Hep" present/brief his entire "game plan" for the CAL-MEC. This vote/motion's results should be known by this afternoon. I HOPE is passes, and we get to crack'in so pads.

Here's the rub.....You, I, and most everyone knows that BOTH Master-Chairs have an ego that needs to tempered so that WE can get together to make the "meeting of the minds" (JP, JH, and MEC's) run productively so that BOTH sides are in FULL (or compromised) agreement. Stating the obvious, we DON'T have a lot of time, and we both know that this needs to be done "yesterday" in order to make "Hep's" announcement gain full traction/support. To have "The Hep" say 'my way, or the highway' WON'T work.....same as JP saying brief me 'solo', or no cigar. Compromise of plan/path to make this unified is the ONLY way this is gonna work. Without that, any divided stance we make is 'lame' at best. If we CAN'T do this, I would just about throw in the towel.

Through all this, my question is "where has Lee been all this time prior to yesterday"?!?!? Well, I have also heard that Moak has a 'game plan' of his own in which he plans to bring to table within days. Knowing NOTHING about his plan (taking Hep's page, JP's page, or coming up with his own hybrid??), I hope that we take the BEST of ANY, and ALL avenues, and construct something NOW that is battle ready.

Bottom line....In the what I've heard within the last 24 hours, we need to bury ANY/ALL ego's.....and that STARTS at the top with the MEC-Chairs. I'm in agreement with you OU, let's make sure that ANY/ALL "riches" we have coming to us NOT be precluded by those who are willing to check their ego's at the door when it comes time to do business/battle. If not, this ship sails (then sinks) without us & our present opportunity is gone.

Originally Posted by Once United

I agree with you on most of this post. The one thing we don't need is an outsider(Lee Moak) bringing a plan or a compromise that didn't include both MEC's at the table in formulation. His interest is at the national level and could very well sell-out both or either for the sake of ALPA National. We can't afford him the opportunity to have the UAL/CAL finance his Agenda or the "ALPA National Dream" as he see it.

If we see a plan from Moak that's presented to the press. We'll know his interest and concerns lies with National and not us.

Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin

Wow, there you go again, more conspiracies out to get us.

Originally Posted by Once United

I agree with you on most of this post. The one thing we don't need is an outsider(Lee Moak) bringing a plan or a compromise that didn't include both MEC's at the table in formulation. His interest is at the national level and could very well sell-out both or either for the sake of ALPA National. We can't afford him the opportunity to have the UAL/CAL finance his Agenda or the "ALPA National Dream" as he see it.

If we see a plan from Moak that's presented to the press. We'll know his interest and concerns lies with National and not us.

Originally Posted by SoCalGuy

Agreed on the "outsider" part.....BUT, I would see Moak's presence as a possible benefit in getting the two MEC-Chair's to the table, stop the game-playing, and get a 'game-plan' in place sooner rather than later (later is something we DON'T have). I'm NOT advocating that Moak come bee-bop'in into the room with a 'game-plan' (most likely with a ALPA-National's slant) in hand as the holy grail in which to work. I would listen (and just that) what he has to say, and let him attempt to spur the two sides to get on a path....and do so quickly.

Let's face it OU, the "My Way, or the Highway" stance is not going to fly for eitherside on the topic. We are going to NEED Group-Unity to stand behind on ANY future/cordinated Release Request, there's NO two-ways about it. All I'm saying is that having a meeting of the minds (Moak there, maybe??), bury the ego's, go to the table to......present 'game plan'.....review-Q&A....revamp, if needed......a viable/solid plan that garners as much Support/Solidarity as possible. Again, if we DON'T have the two "S" just mentioned, it plays right into MGT's hands of gifting them the perfect whip-saw.

To be blunt/honest......I DO have a lot doubt on the Release being given, BUT at this point, I am all for a CORDINATED/UNIFIED request.

Solutions??

Originally Posted by CALFO

The last time I checked there were two Unions negotiating against management.

Originally Posted by 756driver

Hold on ! really ! Was Wendy on vacation during your Transitition agreement negotiations I could never confirm this ? Riding in your jumpseats Ual pilots refused to believe that Wendy would have done that ???

Originally Posted by Lerxst

Reported on another forum that CA and Mrs. Heppner are also attending the IFALPA conference and are travelling Pos Space.