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intrepidcv11 05-13-2012 02:05 PM
Sorry but gotta chuckle at those that believe BO is going to 'lose labor' because of stopping an ALPA strike. Are you really that blind to how the political reality works esp one coming out of The Windy City? Yep I'm sure the AFL-CIO is ready to throw all it's chips behind Rom Paul! :rolleyes:

DALFA 05-13-2012 02:14 PM
ALPA is the only AFL-CIO affiliated union with more registered Republicans than Democrats.

Chance of the NMB releasing the UAL/CAL pilots under BO = 50/50
Chance of the NMB releasing the UAL/CAL pilots under a Republican President = 0%

This is what it comes down to. ALPA member can keep supporting Republicans who NEVER side with labor, or side with politicians who at least sometimes side with labor.

Monkeyfly 05-13-2012 02:21 PM
This is what it comes down to:
ALPA member siding with republicans who usually don't side with labor or democrats that say they will and then don't when it has to do with airline pilots.

DALFA 05-13-2012 02:29 PM
Originally Posted by Monkeyfly (Post 1187423)
This is what it comes down to:
ALPA member siding with republicans who usually don't side with labor or democrats that say they will and then don't when it has to do with airline pilots.
They won't as long as ALPA members keep voting for the GOP.

Labor obviously has less clout in DC due to the reduction in union membership over the past 20-25 years but the AFL-CIO still has great influence over the Democratic party.

reCALcitrant 05-13-2012 05:32 PM
Originally Posted by DALFA (Post 1187421)
ALPA is the only AFL-CIO affiliated union with more registered Republicans than Democrats.

Chance of the NMB releasing the UAL/CAL pilots under BO = 50/50
Chance of the NMB releasing the UAL/CAL pilots under a Republican President = 0%

This is what it comes down to. ALPA member can keep supporting Republicans who NEVER side with labor, or side with politicians who at least sometimes side with labor.
Similar to being in the military, I vote for who will be the best Commander in Chief and President. I don't vote for who will give the military a pay raise. Same goes for being in a Union. My vote is not for me personally, it's what's best for our country as a whole. That's the who I try to vote for anyway. Cheers.

DALFA 05-13-2012 07:45 PM
Ok well don't complain when the NMB either says "no" to being released or the PEB says you're not going on strike and lose all your leverage in negotiations.

Better yet, if a day ever comes that the GOP controls both Houses and the White House don't expect friendly legislation to make it through...you should actually be ready for them to weaken the RLA even further.

reCALcitrant 05-13-2012 07:53 PM
We're still running on time. We don't have the balls to use what little leverage we have now.

PCL_128 05-13-2012 09:56 PM
Originally Posted by 47dog (Post 1187284)
No win for POTUS. If we strike he'll loose votes. 30 day "cooling off" actually means intense negotiations. After 30 days I can see him via POTUS order extending for another 30-45 to settle. You'd better believe his people have already called both sides with one message, SOLVE IT.
He stops the strike, he loses labor votes. He allows us to strike and he allows "rich" airline pilots to strike and hurt the economy. He doesn't want to make a decision. He want it settled.
Unfortunately, he has another option, and it's the most likely option right now: the NMB will simply not give an answer until after the election. They aren't required to answer your request within any period of time. They can sit on it for months (or years) if they want to. Nothing in the Act compels them to make a decision in a short period of time.

throttleweenie 05-13-2012 10:19 PM
Originally Posted by DALFA (Post 1187421)
ALPA is the only AFL-CIO affiliated union with more registered Republicans than Democrats.

Chance of the NMB releasing the UAL/CAL pilots under BO = 50/50
Chance of the NMB releasing the UAL/CAL pilots under a Republican President = 0%

This is what it comes down to. ALPA member can keep supporting Republicans who NEVER side with labor, or side with politicians who at least sometimes side with labor.
Similar to being in the military, I vote for who will be the best Commander in Chief and President. I don't vote for who will give the military a pay raise. Same goes for being in a Union. My vote is not for me personally, it's what's best for our country as a whole. That's the who I try to vote for anyway. Cheers.
That's swell, but I see a clear case in a candidate that would be good for the country (at least better than the last excuse for a POTUS: W) and give labor a fighting chance.

TW

reCALcitrant 05-14-2012 04:20 AM
Originally Posted by throttleweenie (Post 1187686)
That's swell, but I see a clear case in a candidate that would be good for the country (at least better than the last excuse for a POTUS: W) and give labor a fighting chance.

TW
Did you mean to say you "don't see". If that's the case, I agree with you. BTW, just so you know my leanings, I am a conservative independent. There is no good choices, just the 2 we're presented after a year and a half of bad campaigns.


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