Agreed. BEST wishes for your retirement. I hope it is long, enjoyable, and healthy.

The same way the B 737 Rudder PCU made John Cox an air safety expert....No different really, but Sully did ride his down, where as John was a party status member due to his role as Central Air Safety Chair.

was in the sim tonight. all we talked about was delta plus a dollar. Just the entire distraction of the lack of a fair CBA is a safety hazard/threat.

These threat and error management guys could write their thesis on how to screw up a cockpit, a team, and a corporate culture.

What happens when you kick a dog hard enough and long enough. Sooner or later the dog tunes you out, ignores you, rolls over and plays dead, hides from you, or bites back.

Aside from being an Air Force Academy grad with top honors for airmanship followed by almost 20,000 hours of piloting time, multiple stints as an instructor pilot, member of the Air Force accident investigation board, ALPA Air Safety Chairman, ALPA Accident Investigator, national safety technical advisory board member, participant in numerous NTSB accident investigations, NASA co-author on pilot error related scientific studies, CRM expert, and the owner of his own safety consulting business - not much.

I'm sure if you asked him, he'd tell you he's a typical line pilot. However, typical for him comes from a much different perspective than the graduate of a pilot mill who grabbed a line number and is marking time until the upgrade. Call it old school, or just experience but the guy has been there and done that and is well qualified to make observations about aviation safety.

The absence of a smoking hole doesn't mean an operation is "safe". United pilots who have watched a mature and cooperative safety culture crumble to a shell of it's former self are well aware of the increased risk to safety. The corporate safety mantra used to be "it's not about who's right, it's about what's right" and fortunately line pilots are hanging on to that ethos. Unfortunately, the new mantra comes across as "it's not about what's right, it's about what sounds good".

It doesn't take a safety expert to see the danger in that attitude.

I'm sick of hearing about Sully. For those who remember, did Al Haynes and his crew get the same godlike complex as Sully has taken?

Godlike complex? Sully is a well-spoken representative and speaks for all of us.

Perhaps you are the one with the complex?

You really don't get that the public adoration for Sully (completely justified in my opinion) benefits all of us immensely? You can't REALLY be that narrow minded, can you?

How does one "take" a Godlike complex anyway? That doesn't even make any sense. Jealousy is an UGLY mask, and it appears to be glued to your face.

Well stated! Sullys comments...on regionals as he talked to a national audience about the " bigger picture", safety, compensation, training, experience, no contracts etc..is what needs to be continued hammered home at every opportunity. His comments were against the aviation system that allows, the above to be destroyed, all in favor of the lowest bidder, which ultimately impacts public safety.

The difference is that Al Haynes felt alot of guilt and had a rush of emotions following the crash. Al was somewhat withdrawn and rightfully so. Survivors guilt etc. I am sure Al didn't want the spot light turned on him at all.

Sully was thrust into the lime light and made available by his company when he felt ready to do so.

Sully is just a regular guy. He bought me a beer one night at a hotel. Wasn't on his crew, didn't know him. Just wanted to say hello. Very likeable and personable fellow. Would have loved a chance to fly with both him and Capt. Haynes. Both top knotch individuals and class acts.