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Old 09-28-2012 | 06:15 PM
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I fly with CA's who don't care about scope. I try to explain that it hurts everyone, even the senior guys. One responded, "Then who's going to fly the bigger RJ's?" I replied, "me!". I tell them I'll either fly them for United as a captain or for Unites Express as a FO.

Some people just don't get it.
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Old 09-28-2012 | 07:06 PM
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oh, the 76 seater is coming to UAL, make no mistake about it. But, the number of total RJs and RJ seat miles is going to plummet. Just like DAL. The existing providers are going to suffer another mass parking of 50 seaters and it is going to further weaken them. It is a good strategy, and one that WILL pass.

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Old 09-28-2012 | 07:28 PM
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Just curious. When's the vote?

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Old 09-28-2012 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 5ontheglide
Just curious. When's the vote?

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MECs each vote separately on the TA two weeks after it is done. If either MEC votes a simple majority no, pilots don't see it.

If both MECs vote yes, then pilots see it for 30 days and collectively vote on it as one group.

If it passes then SLI has to be done within six months.

The unions say the TA will be done in October, then this timeline starts.
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Old 09-29-2012 | 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by jsled
oh, the 76 seater is coming to UAL, make no mistake about it. But, the number of total RJs and RJ seat miles is going to plummet. Just like DAL. The existing providers are going to suffer another mass parking of 50 seaters and it is going to further weaken them. It is a good strategy, and one that WILL pass.

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How much damage can a fleet of 325, 76 seat jets do to current mainline flying? A jet with a range of up to 2100nm.
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Old 09-29-2012 | 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by jsled
oh, the 76 seater is coming to UAL, make no mistake about it. But, the number of total RJs and RJ seat miles is going to plummet. Just like DAL. The existing providers are going to suffer another mass parking of 50 seaters and it is going to further weaken them. It is a good strategy, and one that WILL pass.

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Yea, just ask the 1400 united pilots how much they think of the strategy.
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Old 09-29-2012 | 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking
How much damage can a fleet of 325, 76 seat jets do to current mainline flying? A jet with a range of up to 2100nm.
IDK. UAL flies 153- 70 seaters today, a fraction of the 76 seaters over at DAL, even though there was no restricion on 70 seaters other than total block hours of the entire UAX fleet. We have 550 UAX aircraft flying today. THAT is more the problem than 70/76 seat RJs. Chop that number down significantly, and you can do some real damage, even if it means allowing 6 more seats.

Oh, I know the arguments..."they are 90 seat airframes! and they will be flying 90 seats...it's just a matter of time." Well, DAL has went through 2 contract cycles with those "90 seat airframes", and they still held to 76 seats.

More significant, IMO is code share. How many flights do we fly DEN-PHL? LAX-PHL? CLT-SFO? The answer is little to none. WHY? Us Airways code share. If we can cut some of that sheet, it would go a long way towards increasing block hours here at mainline. An AMR/AAA merger would REALLY help, as AAA would be headed out of DeathStar and into OneWorld. Poor ol' UCH would have to do more of their own PHL/CLT/DCA flying.

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Old 09-29-2012 | 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Ottopilot
Yea, just ask the 1400 united pilots how much they think of the strategy.
How many are furloughed at DAL? They have 220+ 76 seaters to our 153-70 seaters. Those 1400 were more victims of the "virtual merger" than RJs. Once CAL came over to the DeathStar Alliance, we didn't need all those guppies anymore. Same with US Airways...see my above post.

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Old 09-29-2012 | 04:43 AM
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vote no to scope concessions. anything else is irrelephant!
The most pleasant misspelling I have seen in a long while! I really love it!
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Old 09-29-2012 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by jsled
IDK. UAL flies 153- 70 seaters today, a fraction of the 76 seaters over at DAL, even though there was no restricion on 70 seaters other than total block hours of the entire UAX fleet. We have 550 UAX aircraft flying today. THAT is more the problem than 70/76 seat RJs. Chop that number down significantly, and you can do some real damage, even if it means allowing 6 more seats.

Oh, I know the arguments..."they are 90 seat airframes! and they will be flying 90 seats...it's just a matter of time." Well, DAL has went through 2 contract cycles with those "90 seat airframes", and they still held to 76 seats.

More significant, IMO is code share. How many flights do we fly DEN-PHL? LAX-PHL? CLT-SFO? The answer is little to none. WHY? Us Airways code share. If we can cut some of that sheet, it would go a long way towards increasing block hours here at mainline. An AMR/AAA merger would REALLY help, as AAA would be headed out of DeathStar and into OneWorld. Poor ol' UCH would have to do more of their own PHL/CLT/DCA flying.

JMHO
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I mean this with upmost respect Sled, but ARE YOU HIGH??

Have you learned nothing from the current UCH mangement team? Here's a recap: They will lie, cheat and steal from you and any other employee at this company. The DAL pilots have a somewhat honest management team, UCH not so much. UCH will violate that scope section just to force ALPA into arbitration. They will come out the other side unscathed and skypest will be flying 90 seat aircraft WITH 90 seats.

NO SCOPE = NO VOTE

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