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11-03-2012 | 07:58 AM
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Old ucal
"I've been following or working in the industry since the mid-1960's"
If this is true then you are currently retired and have been for awhile. The most senior pilots at UAL and CAL were hired in the mid-late 70s. There aren't anymore 60s hired pilots left on the list. The age 65 rule alone would have sent you into retirement years ago.
So your stake in this merger JCBA is what?
"I've been following or working in the industry since the mid-1960's"
If this is true then you are currently retired and have been for awhile. The most senior pilots at UAL and CAL were hired in the mid-late 70s. There aren't anymore 60s hired pilots left on the list. The age 65 rule alone would have sent you into retirement years ago.
So your stake in this merger JCBA is what?
11-03-2012 | 08:20 AM
#32
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Old UCal
In my background I got my pilot license in high school when renting an airplane cost less than $10.00 an hour wet, but I would never make the statement you did about being in the industry since I was 16. So the BS flag about your post went up big time.
The question about retirement and 65 was based on this, had you been hired by a major in the 60s you would have been 60 prior to the change to 65 (12-14-2007) and thus already retired. Of course that is unless you were one of the sneaky ones who went inactive and then restated after the age 65 law kicked in. But of course you'd again be retired unless your birthdate was later than 12-14.
All is mute here because your profile says your 62 (1950). I hope you aren't one of those who took advantage of the 1983 debacle?
In my background I got my pilot license in high school when renting an airplane cost less than $10.00 an hour wet, but I would never make the statement you did about being in the industry since I was 16. So the BS flag about your post went up big time.
The question about retirement and 65 was based on this, had you been hired by a major in the 60s you would have been 60 prior to the change to 65 (12-14-2007) and thus already retired. Of course that is unless you were one of the sneaky ones who went inactive and then restated after the age 65 law kicked in. But of course you'd again be retired unless your birthdate was later than 12-14.
All is mute here because your profile says your 62 (1950). I hope you aren't one of those who took advantage of the 1983 debacle?
11-03-2012 | 02:19 PM
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High school, flight training, college, more flight training...all in the 1960's/early '70's. That's called "following." FBO instructing, charter, corporate, small regional, large airline...all in the mid-1970's and on. That's called "following" and "working."
Furloughed?...yes, once.
Retired?...very close, financially set, mentally prepped, playing the part through my schedule, just not quite yet...
Furloughed?...yes, once.
Retired?...very close, financially set, mentally prepped, playing the part through my schedule, just not quite yet...
voodiloquist
11-03-2012 | 04:52 PM
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The Flight plan
That's because he understands that money is freedom in our country. Freedom to donate, freedom to send your kids to school, freedom live the life YOU want
That's how this country was built. YOU create your path! And get to walk down it
That's how this country was built. YOU create your path! And get to walk down it
11-03-2012 | 06:25 PM
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I've been following or working in the industry since the mid-1960's and child-like whining about the guy(s) at the top is pretty standard. The managerial "grass" is always greener elsewhere.
The only exception I've observed over the last 46 years was the tenure of Gordon Bethune and Greg Brenneman at LCAL. However, even with a couple of the best there were still detractors who would occasionally surface. It's the "norm" for the industry.
This United thing sort of does take it to a new level relative to everyone else. I would surmise that even if Herb Kelleher (LUV), Gordon Bethune (CAL), and Greg Brenneman (CAL) were all "tag-teaming" at the top of the new United, there would still be individuals whining about it somewhere in the United system.
The only exception I've observed over the last 46 years was the tenure of Gordon Bethune and Greg Brenneman at LCAL. However, even with a couple of the best there were still detractors who would occasionally surface. It's the "norm" for the industry.
This United thing sort of does take it to a new level relative to everyone else. I would surmise that even if Herb Kelleher (LUV), Gordon Bethune (CAL), and Greg Brenneman (CAL) were all "tag-teaming" at the top of the new United, there would still be individuals whining about it somewhere in the United system.
barf.
gag.
'scuse me....can I get a paper bag?
11-04-2012 | 04:51 AM
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Copy that, thanks. So, since you answered for him you're either his mother or domestic partner. I'd say the latter.
voodiloquist
11-04-2012 | 05:49 AM
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Old UCal
In my background I got my pilot license in high school when renting an airplane cost less than $10.00 an hour wet, but I would never make the statement you did about being in the industry since I was 16. So the BS flag about your post went up big time.
The question about retirement and 65 was based on this, had you been hired by a major in the 60s you would have been 60 prior to the change to 65 (12-14-2007) and thus already retired. Of course that is unless you were one of the sneaky ones who went inactive and then restated after the age 65 law kicked in. But of course you'd again be retired unless your birthdate was later than 12-14.
All is mute here because your profile says your 62 (1950). I hope you aren't one of those who took advantage of the 1983 debacle?
In my background I got my pilot license in high school when renting an airplane cost less than $10.00 an hour wet, but I would never make the statement you did about being in the industry since I was 16. So the BS flag about your post went up big time.
The question about retirement and 65 was based on this, had you been hired by a major in the 60s you would have been 60 prior to the change to 65 (12-14-2007) and thus already retired. Of course that is unless you were one of the sneaky ones who went inactive and then restated after the age 65 law kicked in. But of course you'd again be retired unless your birthdate was later than 12-14.
All is mute here because your profile says your 62 (1950). I hope you aren't one of those who took advantage of the 1983 debacle?
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