You might want to take your own advice. If you're an RJ F/O you'd be unable to attend a road show, so how would you know about their contents?

"Loser Cruiser." Now that's some funny stuff right there.

Lots of misinformation on this thread. Here is how I see it.

Current book: unlimited RJs up to 70 seats limited to 100% of Mainline block hours (A319s - 747s). The Scope Q&A puts our current RJ block hours at 78% of Mainline block hours, meaning growth of 22% in RJ block hours is possible under current book.

TA: RJ block hours limited to 120% of Narrow-body block hours......(A319 - B-757). The Scope Q&A puts our current RJ block hours at 112% of Narrow-body block hours, meaning growth of 8% in RJ block hours is possible. Not 22% as in current book.

255 is hard cap for 70+76 seat aircraft (including turbo-props) IF the company chooses NOT to add 100 seat mainline aircraft. According to the July 2012 Investor Update on UAL's website, we have 115 CRJ700s and 38 EMB170s already, add the Qs and they can add roughly 80 jets to the RJ fleet. BUT, they still must comply with the 120% of n/b block hours! Meaning they will have to park older RJs to reach that 255 (70+76) number. They are only 8% below the cap today.

This 255 is a HARD CAP of Large RJs and TPs (70+76 seaters) UNLESS the company buys 100 seat mainline aircraft! That is the key. 130 of that 255 can be 76 seaters until Jan 2016. Then 153 of that 255 can be 76 seaters. But the 255 does not change UNLESS UAL BUYS AND FLYS 100 SEATERS. If you believe that the 50 seater is dead, then 255 could eventually be the max number of UAX aircraft in the fleet. Down from over 550 today!!!

IF UAL chooses to buy 100 seat mainline aircraft, then just like the DAL scope, Larger RJs may increase proportionately. This option mandates that the 120% of n/b block hour limitation decreases, and the number of 50 seaters decreases. It is on a scale, but if UAL wants to increase that 255 number all the way to a max of 325 with up to 223 76 seaters, they will have to buy 88 100-seaters (1:1.25 ratio), the percent of n/b block hours will have to decrease to a max of 68% (from 120%) and the number of 50 seaters decreases by a formula for each 76 seat aircraft added above 153. If these numbers sound familiar, it is because it is the DAL scope language almost to the letter.

There are also other protections: hub to hub and distance, but this is the meat. This is my understanding only, backed by questions I have had answered by my Reps. I would appreciate ANY feedback. I cannot see how this is not better than current book.

Sled

Is there a MAGTOW limitation in the scope clause along with the 76 seat limit? Or is the seat limit the only restricting factor?

Yes. 76 seats / 86,000 pounds. Just like DAL, and now AMR.

Sled

I'm not certain what you mean by your CRJ900 remark. If this TA is approved, there certainly will be regionals flying CRJ900's. I was uncertain of the reserve max, which is why there was a question mark. WRT the DC9 remark, you should note I mentioned the DC9-10. It held around 90 people in a single class configuration. It was not even close to a A319, B737-500, or 100 people with 1st class & coach class.

I was uncertain of the max reserve, that's why it was a question. ;) A 737-500 held 100 people with 2 class configuration, correct? CRJ900/EMB175 can hold only 76 in a 2 class configuration. Not even close to a 737-500. BTW, they've remained at 76 seats for 3 contracts now. And Delta management asked for a max 82 seats on the last TA. DALPA said that was ok, but they'd be flown at mainline Management quickly redacted their 82 seat request. So you're wrong. Management does NOT always get what they want. Plus, DAL pilots received a lot more then 3%. Heck, we get 8.5 on Jan 1st alone.

johnso: the 82 seat request from mgmt always intrigued me. It was stated to me by several different higher ups as well as a status rep that DL had NOT asked for more seats in the 76 seaters. Only when the uproar and sales job began did they change their story.

I'm still not sure what to believe.

So.. you don't believe that they will park 3 50 seat aircraft (150 seats) and replace them with 2 90 seaters [much more efficient] configured to 76 seats. (152 seats).
3 50 seat aircraft flying 10 hrs a day.. 30 hours.
2 76 seat aircraft flying 12 hrs a day.. 24 hours.

So, they have actually lowered their UAX block hours and increased their avail seats.

Why is our agreement tied to block hours vs. Delta's which (it seems.. hopefully a Delta guy can chime in here~) is tied into ASM/Seats.

Fact is, there is not one 90 seater configured to 76 seats flying, configured with a First Class, flying from Hub to Hub/other destinations, over 900nm away.. flying United Passenger as of right now.
This TA Passes, the above statement will no longer be true.

"United against Outsourcing"

Motch

DL small jet ratios are domestic block hour ratios.

AF code share is Passenger Seat Kilometers.