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cadetdrivr 11-27-2012 11:15 AM
Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 1299827)
Need to ask a question to make sure I understand this.
I am on 6th yr pay, and have 5 yrs and 1 month Active time.
Never Furloughed.

So.. lets say (hypothetically), the UAL Furloughs are put behind the last Active (not the CAL 147) Pilot.
Would there be pilots who are below me (Ex UAL Furloughs) who are paid higher longevity or not?

Me.. I'm fine with that and actually expected that to happen.

Motch
Motch, that's the $64k question. There are pilots currently furloughed that had just acheived 8th year pay when furloughed in late 2009. If they can't lose longevity and they are stapled below you the answer is yes.

Coto Pilot 11-27-2012 12:20 PM
Originally Posted by tkhayes90 (Post 1299919)
Loa 25 costs me between $6-$7k until SLI. That is straight pay, not including b fund. I am on 8 yr UAL pay 88ph...I go to 5 yr at signing and then to 8 or 9 yr pay after SLI. No one has been able to confirm that my time here on the CAL side will count or not.
And the CAL pilot that was hired at CAL the same day you were hired at United receives full longevity credit for his 4 years on furlough.

Sonny Crockett 11-27-2012 12:26 PM
............anyone know why the UAL MEC is pushing LOA-25 as a good deal? They have sent out two letters (one from Jay H and one from the MEC) both are not even close to a reality check.

Old UCAL CA 11-27-2012 12:32 PM
Originally Posted by Coto Pilot (Post 1300011)
And the CAL pilot that was hired at CAL the same day you were hired at United receives full longevity credit for his 4 years on furlough.
...but not as a result of a JCBA prior to an ISL. That is a big difference.

And...you can be absolutely sure that pure active service versus longevity credit and associated points of implementation will be argued at ISL proceedings. Both committees and the three arbitrators aren't stupid.

cadetdrivr 11-27-2012 12:41 PM
Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA (Post 1300017)
...but not as a result of a JCBA prior to an ISL. That is a big difference.
Um....isn't that exactly what the CAL pilot is receiving at JCBA DOS (which occurs prior to ISL): longevity credit for time on furlough?

Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA (Post 1300017)
And...you can be absolutely sure that pure active service versus longevity credit and associated points of implementation will be argued at ISL proceedings. Both committees and the three arbitrators aren't stupid.
Exactly. This is what makes the simple existence of LOA 25 (para 4) so asinine.

SpecialTracking 11-27-2012 12:59 PM
Originally Posted by Sonny Crockett (Post 1300013)
............anyone know why the UAL MEC is pushing LOA-25 as a good deal? They have sent out two letters (one from Jay H and one from the MEC) both are not even close to a reality check.
Have you ever heard the parents of an ugly newborn say, "he sure is one ugly baby?"

Yak02 11-27-2012 01:06 PM
It's 2100 hours on a Friday night and your a 55 year old Bald, Fat guy looking to get laid.

"Go ugly early"

Same deal.

SpecialTracking 11-27-2012 01:32 PM
Originally Posted by Yak02 (Post 1300042)
It's 2100 hours on a Friday night and your a 55 year old Bald, Fat guy looking to get laid.

"Go ugly early"

Same deal.
I'm neither fat, bald, 55, or looking for a lbfm. Our furloughees will not be hung out to dry and we did not give $1.2 billion/yr for ten years to end up with this.

boxer6 11-27-2012 03:17 PM
Originally Posted by Sonny Crockett (Post 1300013)
............anyone know why the UAL MEC is pushing LOA-25 as a good deal? They have sent out two letters (one from Jay H and one from the MEC) both are not even m to a reality check.
It's a good for them be because they took YOUR money and gave it to to the rest of the group.

Ask youself: Where did all that money go and how was it divied up?

datake 11-27-2012 04:51 PM
Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1299809)
Thanks Old UCAL dude. I wish I could have said it that plain in the beginning. That is exactly what I am saying. Data and Coto are mistaken. Your active service is your active service. LOA 25 can only increase your years longevity for pay, not decrease it.

Sled
You guys are incorrect regarding pay rates assigned at DOS. Just confirmed this evening at an informal Alpa presentation in Houston by Brian Finley. He said that he spoke directly with Jay Heppner and confirmed that "Yes, no matter the longevity of every UAL pilot at CAL, they will all be paid 5th yr FO wages on the new JCBA at Date of Signing." This rate remains in effect until the completion of the Seniority List Integration. So once again, the 08 hire with 2 months of active service will receive the same pay rate as a guy who has 5,6,7,8 years of active service at D.O.S. It's spelled out clearly in the MEC update on 11/20/12. Scenario 3 spells it out: https://crewroom.alpa.org/ual/Deskto...cumentID=49037


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