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Originally Posted by CousinEddie (Post 1311082)

I'd plan on another CH11 filing long before your contract gets to the five year mark. Good luck. I'm sure our new "professional" management can deliver for you.

My contract?? What is my contract?

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Originally Posted by syd111 (Post 1311099)

My contract?? What is my contract?

That would be the contract which, unlike C2000 and this insulting TA, meet your standards your Highness.

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Originally Posted by CousinEddie (Post 1311149)

That would be the contract which, unlike C2000 and this insulting TA, meet your standards your Highness.

Because I vote no with specific reason now I am your highness? Did I say it was insulting? No i said I expected better as have many other pilots on this property, if it meets your expectations great, it didn't meet mine.

Enough with the name calling.

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Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 1310872)

If you can name me ONE professional costing analyst that has valued this contract behind DAL's in 2014 and beyond, I urge you to post it.

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Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 1310872)

DAL having to pay ZERO retro (because they were smart enough to force UAL to match their next contract cycle costs)....

You are correct on Retro regarding their "recent" PWA, but with regard to the Pilots JCBA at time of Merger, the Pilot's received an "equity stake" within the company.....something we have ZERO to show for. In most cases, the equity payout was much more handsome than the peanuts/payout structure that we are receiving by way of our lump-sum. In our case, we were told from the start (See CEO Exchange - EWR 2010) "NO SOUP for you" regarding an equity stake. I guess, we were "good" in just getting "peanuts" by way of the TA's lump-sum payout???? I'm sure am not.

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Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 1310872)

You may not agree.

You are correct, I don't. However, I do respect that you and I both have a vote on the matter.

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Originally Posted by SoCalGuy (Post 1311250)

Did you not read where I wrote at time of "DOS"? If this passes, 2014 and beyond is still a year away.....THUS not industry leading at the DOS regarding the pay. Don't get me started on the time-lag regarding some of the agreement's implementations (time-line).

You are correct on Retro regarding their "recent" PWA, but with regard to the Pilots JCBA at time of Merger, the Pilot's received an "equity stake" within the company.....something we have ZERO to show for. In most cases, the equity payout was much more handsome than the peanuts/payout structure that we are receiving by way of our lump-sum. In our case, we were told from the start (See CEO Exchange - EWR 2010) "NO SOUP for you" regarding an equity stake. I guess, we were "good" in just getting "peanuts" by way of the TA's lump-sum payout???? I'm sure am not.

You are correct, I don't. However, I do respect that you and I both have a vote on the matter.

Sadly, the equity ship sailed when the DOJ approved the merger with no pilot input. THAT was the leverage we had, and wasted. Remember right at the beginning when negotiations were flying along? The DOJ approved the merger and the door completely slammed shut. Equity was gone at that moment. Both sides MC's, Morse and Pierce deserve 100% of the blame for failing to obtain equity. DAL pilots were pounding the door of the DOJ, our pilots were restricted from showing up.

Unfortunately, that is the landscape we find ourselves in. We got hosed on equity, and if you'd like to go give captain Morse a "Thanks a lot", you can usually find her in ops in ORD, talking smack about how lousy the TA is near where the P2P folks are trying to answer legitimate questions.