Airline Pilot Central Forums

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)

- United (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/united/)

- - Consider this. (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/united/71694-consider.html)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bearcat (Post 1310423)

Even the scabs are voting no.

Of course they are. They will continue to steal flying and upgrading at other's expense.

My opinion as a UAL pilot is not that Ben Salley would like to take my job, it's that UCH management would want to play the whipsaw as they are able. Whip saws go back and forth, they are not just one way.

I would not blame CAL pilots on bit in this. They have not blamed UAL pilots for the fact that 70 seat RJ's are flying over the CAL system just with UA market designator now.

Hopefully Saturday this BS will all be over one way or the other and we can try to get 11,500 pilots pulling on the same end of the rope to either a) defend and improve the JCBA going forward or, b) figure out how to bring the company to the point of improving the JCBA to make it acceptable.

Come Saturday, the time for yes or no is over. It will be time for moving forward as a group to to improve the profession.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LAX Pilot (Post 1310441)

They will continue to steal flying and upgrading at other's expense.

This is stupid (and as they say, you can't fix stupid). L-UAL lost it's flying when your CEOs decided not to buy new airframes, shop for a merger, parked airplanes, and opened up scope like it's Christmas morning. That is the destiny that came with your choice to work for and stay at L-UAL. Please, please, please, don't blame L-CAL pilots for the outcomes of the past decisions made by each and every L-UCAL pilot. Now, with that said, I do think going forward, we need to be one team, one union, one list as soon as possible ... fight the enemy that really is controlling our collectives future.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LAX Pilot (Post 1310441)

Of course they are. They will continue to steal flying and upgrading at other's expense.

Yea, those '83 scabs can finally upgrade now that we are merging. :confused:

They are already widebody captains.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slats Extend (Post 1310444)

Outstanding and accurate in the same breath. We are not here to steal anything from anyone. We are voting no on this agreement as it is sub-standard, period end of story. While I too see the reality of what the UAL Pilots are facing, this agreement is still sub-standard. Vote the way you will but don't blame us for what's occurring as there is only one real villain, and that role is being aptly played by management.

Cast your ballots but remember, we could sit here and call the LUAL guys all kinds of names for caving in and serving only their self-interests due to the perils they are facing. I chose not to do that and will honor the results, whatever they may be, come Saturday.

As Slats says above, like it or not we will possibly be a lot closer to being one Pilot group by Saturday and what direction we row from there will be more important than the results of the TA vote.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yak02 (Post 1310428)

Name me one Scab who is voting NO.

Flown with plenty of NO vote scabs. Names I will not post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 1310587)

Good post 757. We have voted differently, but still a good post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slats Extend (Post 1310444)

+1.........

Quote:

Originally Posted by bearcat (Post 1310423)

The vote of yes or no will have little effect on the SLI. It may drag it out longer, but you will end up in the same position on the list and at the sound of it, with a far inferior contract than you should have. Even the scabs are voting no. Geez.

That is simply not true. Every day this goes on, there are more junior 737 Captains being upgraded. Assuming that ALPA merger policy is followed, the SLI snapshot was taken quite some time ago when these same pilots were F/O's. There won't (and shouldn't in my opinion) be a flush bump to remove these newly minted Captains from their seats even though they wouldn't be able to hold them based on combined seniority. If this TA goes down, the problem compounds exponentially.

The ALPA Merger Policy had to be re-written after the USAirways debacle. From what I understand, it will be re-written again due to the delay in this JCBA and it's effect stated above.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bearcat (Post 1310424)

oh and the 787, 777, 737 (other than the latest order) were placed years before this merger was announced.

We are talking about the 737-900ER's that were ordered post merger and will arrive on the property to replace L-UAL 757's starting in August. If this TA goes down, and the L-UAL 757's are parked without these airplanes going directly to the L-UAL pilots, I expect Ben Salley to be true to his word and resign. Not from the CAL MEC, but as a pilot for UCH.