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Justin Turco 12-12-2012 06:36 PM

Consider this.
 
My perception is that a lot of LUAL guys are concerned that the only reason a Continental guy would vote NO on this TA is to delay the whole process so that the Continental side can continue to upgrade captains and ultimately shrink the UAL side out of existence.

I don't see that from where I sit as a furloughee on the CAL side, but I think this is the perception.

What do you guys think? And what could be done to show the LUAL side that this is not the case?

rwthompson67 12-12-2012 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by Justin Turco (Post 1310356)
My perception is that a lot of LUAL guys are concerned that the only reason a Continental guy would vote NO on this TA is to delay the whole process so that the Continental side can continue to upgrade captains and ultimately shrink the UAL side out of existence.

I don't see that from where I sit as a furloughee on the CAL side, but I think this is the perception.

What do you guys think? And what could be done to show the LUAL side that this is not the case?

I don't think sUAL guys care WHY sCAL pilots might vote NO. They DO care that a delay in a JCBA and ISL results in exactly what you highlighted...sUAL stagnates/shrinks and sCAL grows. Regardless of the motivations of the sCAL pilots, the effect on sUAL pilots is the same.

Mwindaji 12-12-2012 07:48 PM

Is it sCAL pilots fault that this TA must be passed? No? That’s what I am getting as the main reason from the Yes sUAL voters’ posts on this forum.

uaav8r 12-12-2012 08:08 PM


Originally Posted by rwthompson67 (Post 1310362)
I don't think sUAL guys care WHY sCAL pilots might vote NO. They DO care that a delay in a JCBA and ISL results in exactly what you highlighted...sUAL stagnates/shrinks and sCAL grows. Regardless of the motivations of the sCAL pilots, the effect on sUAL pilots is the same.

Bingo!!!....Plain and simple. We all know that this TA will be voted in by the pilots of United or voted down by the pilots of Continental. There is a very good reason for this. The effect of a continued delay does not harm the CAL side one bit, NOT so for the UAL side. On Saturday, we all will have a JCBA, the clock to seniority integration will continue clicking and we will become one seniority list in a matter of months. This 4 way struggle between CALMEC, UALMEC, UCH and the NMB will finally have reached its long drawn out conclusion.

uaav8r 12-12-2012 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by Justin Turco (Post 1310356)
My perception is that a lot of LUAL guys are concerned that the only reason a Continental guy would vote NO on this TA is to delay the whole process so that the Continental side can continue to upgrade captains and ultimately shrink the UAL side out of existence.

I don't see that from where I sit as a furloughee on the CAL side, but I think this is the perception.

What do you guys think? And what could be done to show the LUAL side that this is not the case?

You ask, "what could be done to show the LUAL side that this is not the case?". Well, IAH union rep, Ben Salley, made a statement a couple of days ago that he would resign before he took any of LUAL's rightful flying. That's a pretty gutsy statement considering that in 8.5 months LUAL will be getting 737-900ER's. An aircraft for which we have 0 simulators, 0 instructors, 0 training syllabus, and 0 payscales. I'm pretty sure that training will be done in IAH with or WITHOUT us if this TA fails.

bearcat 12-12-2012 08:46 PM

The vote of yes or no will have little effect on the SLI. It may drag it out longer, but you will end up in the same position on the list and at the sound of it, with a far inferior contract than you should have. Even the scabs are voting no. Geez.

bearcat 12-12-2012 08:47 PM

oh and the 787, 777, 737 (other than the latest order) were placed years before this merger was announced.

Yak02 12-12-2012 08:55 PM

Name me one Scab who is voting NO.

uaav8r 12-12-2012 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by bearcat (Post 1310423)
The vote of yes or no will have little effect on the SLI. It may drag it out longer, but you will end up in the same position on the list and at the sound of it, with a far inferior contract than you should have. Even the scabs are voting no. Geez.

Bearcat, I could care less how any Continental pilot is voting much less the scabs. "At the sound of it, with a far inferior contract than you should have." I realize that it's not perfect, but it's way better as a whole than the bankruptcy contract that I've worked under for the last 10 years. Are you a CAL guy?

uaav8r 12-12-2012 09:10 PM


Originally Posted by bearcat (Post 1310424)
oh and the 787, 777, 737 (other than the latest order) were placed years before this merger was announced.

What's that got to do with the price of potatoes in China?


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