Active at a company that was clearly headed downhill.
How many years of service did the Braniff & Pan Am & Eastern guys have ? So a "bump upward" as you put it is in no way fair, in fact its a windfall.

How close to CA were they after 17 years ? The only hope for those guys was to merge with another airline and grab some seniority from the other pilot group.

But I have no final say, and they may get it, in which case they are the luckiest *pilots* in the industry - but they'll still complain :p

(Thats just my opinion)

Sorry in advance for the snark here but:

UAL widebodies paid far less than CAL narrowbodies pre-merger.

So keep yer corroded, poorly equipped and maintained, low paying, run-out widebodies

Not even close. Including the 16% B-fund contribution and not even counting work rules, all aircraft types at UAL paid more than all aircraft types at CAL. 777 rates were exactly $1 less per hour, but with the 16% B-fund, they were way more. Doesn't even count trip rigs, etc.

It doesn't matter now because its in the hands of the arbitrators.

You guys keep quoting the talking points, but no one reading this board is on the arbitration panel and actually looking at the data shows the truth.

I'd be shocked if one United pilot had a lower relative seniority than they currently have, if not much higher, including the pilots on furlough, who are obviously coming back to the property, hence have a great career expectation.

Must be why the L-UAL merger committee fought long and hard to not release w2 numbers...

I'm going with electrified.

But their workrules "paid" way more. With a 200+ credit-hour month for a couple of our 737 pilots, LCAL seems to be learning the value of soft time pretty quickly. I'm just happy to get adequate rest now without having to call in fatigued to get it. Between our pay and their rules it was a wash. Cost per year $187k vs $184k.

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...Equivalent.htm

Who are coming back to the CAL side, thanks to the merger.
And have a great career expectation as EWR756 FO, VS
junior A320 FO in ORD/SFO

Again, thanks to the merger.

So if you think those pilots deserve anything other than staple to the bottom of the combined list, perhaps they should take their red clips and entitled attitudes back out on furlough, and await recall to the L-UAL side, since its obviously been such a great career for them :rolleyes:

Great career expectations??? YGBSM.

There's a reason why both sCAL and sUAL have unfilled FO vacancies in NYC on the 757/767.

Rolleyes indeed.

Pure effluent.

Very different reasons.

Would you have rather flown a min 16 day off line with layovers in FCO, CDG, any of a dozen German cities ... etc with 87 hours of pay,

or a 12 day off A320 line with 40 something hour layovers in Toronto
for less hourly pay, even at greater longevity ?

I compared schedules with yer 97, 98, 99 hires many times prior to this "merger of equals"

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:: indeed !!!