CAL/UAL hiring info
 

To anyone who knows,

I'm looking for info from any whose got gouge about the hiring process. Good buddy of mine is interested in hiring on and I'd like to get him the latest info on how things are being done. I've got the Application website, and I know Charlie V is the "guy"...any other clarifying info on how the process is being run/conducted would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers,
Horhay

The lingo floating around is best practices from UAL and cal.

I don't think anyone really knows what it will be like for off the street guys as they haven't interviewed any of us yet...

Word on the street is feb-may should have street hires in class, notwithstanding the amount of UAL furloughees who may come back post jcba signing but pre-SLI.

As soon as I interview and get the job I'll be sure to let your friend know the details. ;)

According to CV furloughees are not hammering down the door, they're (we're) coming back at much slower than anticipated rates. I suspect many of them have contracts, but that's just a guess. Waiting on the SLI?

That's a Bingo!

Waiting as long as I want because when UAL ALPA says "hurry up and come back" it can't be for anything good, and a 10 year break from the US Airline industry isn't such a bad thing.......

I gotta agree with that. I took a 5+ year voluntary break a while back and it was nice being home very night.

Always curious... What did you do?

Listing and selling between 500-800 residential properties every year. Our top year was 1,100+ We were #1 in the nation.

Anyone know if there is a process for submitting recommendations ??
I don know that AirlineApps handles the actual application but I also recall
some here writing about letters of rec through AirlineApps.

Any information would be appreciated.

Thanks!

There is a link in the addendum section.

Thanks !

I'll pass it along.:cool:

Thanks again for the info. Passed it along and was told that the recommendation option in the addendum section is an option that the company being applied to can turn on or off. Apparently it is no longer an option for United applicants. If anyone knows differently, please let me know as I would like to get a rec in for a buddy.

Thanks !

Tell him to put you down as a reference w your email attached. Airline Apps will send you a link to attach your recommendation.

Thanks !! Will do.

Just curious how junior is San Francisco and can a new hire hold it? If not where would a new hire end up?

Right now, SFO is on the UAL side, but traditionally its a new hire base. So you'd have to come to the UAL side after all the furloughees have been offered positions.

I think any new hires are going to the CAL side.

Rumors of a CAL 737 base in SFO soon.

Yes, rumors of a 737 base in SFO. If that happens, it will make summer of 2000 look like a picnic. A 737 CO base flying UAL flying will be the ultimate Jeffed up attempt at splitting the group.

This needs to wait for the SLI. Out of seniority Capt bids that should go to UAL former guppie pilots would cause a melt down of epic proportion in SFO. Capt Hepner has so far been able to have the company delay the opening, hopefully till the SLI is done.

Of course this is all only rumor.

And yes, SFO has traditionaly been a new hire base because the cost of living is so much higher than most of the other UAL bases. New hires can't afford to live here and many choose to commute.

They had talked about doing IAD as a 737 base at the same time. I inquired about this 2 weeks ago and Gary Waggoner claimed it was 12-24 months away...post-SLI.

:p
Ummm not sure where in the system you fly but this has already happened in ORD and DEN. And on the flip side, IAH.....

SFO is special because??

If you haven't heard we're on the track for an ISL in which case the "flying" belongs to ALL of us.

Yea, that's what I was thinking. The "company" is shifting flying to put the plane on the route they want. Have you noticed the 737's in SFO yet? Not just the ones to EWR, IAH, and CLE, but all the other ones too. I've noticed the "UAL" aircraft in the "CAL" hubs. It's almost like a merger or something. :rolleyes:

That's a better source than my rumor, but I don't trust anything that comes from anywhere in this company. I heard next month on the CAL bid. That came from the training center instructors. I'm not going there, so I don't care either way.

Uhhhh...you have not been a west coast pilot.

We had Shuttle which was an airline within an airline--and stopped Southwest dead in their tracks. That has never been done before. Shuttle did make money, but where it really shined was feed to mainline and international. It suffered greatly on 9-11 and was eventually shut down to be reborn again in a failed attempt to still compete.

Bottom line is that UAL has always owned California and the west coast NS operation---until Glenn parked the guppies. That had a devestating effect on everyone from LAX to SEA, more so than ORD, DEN, or IAD.

To bring back guppies into SFO after the insult from Glenn would be the absolute denigration and should never be contemplated until SLI is done. If CO were to open SFO to guppie captain, many of our junior 320 F/O's were actually 737 captains. To see 5 year hires fly their vacancy--and keep it, out of seniority, with fences, would be a further insult.

So, yes, the west coast is different from ORD and IAD.

uhhhh almost every trip I do goes up and down the west coast, but you're right I am not a "west coast" pilot. Is there a special check out for that?

For the millionth time, CAL does not have 5 year Captains. The most junior Captains are early to mid 2005 hires. Thats 7+ years.
I am guessing your a DOH fist pounder.

The introduction of a320 and 767 to both EWR and IAH have had no effect on the pilots in those bases?? How about the 777 doing flying out of the CAL hubs?? Time to look outside your "west coast" bubble....

UCH will move aircraft where those airframes make money. period.

It couldn't have been that much of a insult. 67% of UAL and CAL pilots voted for this contract, which HAD NO PROVISIONS FOR RECALL OR SHIFTING OF FLYING. You accepted this contract and now your mad because mgmt has the audacity to move aircraft around? To your bases? Taking your flying? Hey, don't worry. We will fix this in the next contract.

A little history is in order here. Back in the day when I was hired (87) into the right seat of the DC9 based in Denver, we used to operate shuttles with Denver crews up and down the west coast. You'd leave Denver for three or four days and not touch homebase until the last leg. LAX, SJC, PDX, SEA etc. Some of the best airline flying I ever did!

Alas, I, along with several hundred pilots were displaced after the infamous 881R bid which started the pulldown from DEN which eventually (94) resulted in closing the DEN base. This was largely as a result of the United TORQUE program, aimed at driving CO out of Denver (and hopefully out of business).

So you see, Skippy, you don't own any of the flying. The company will put frames where they'll make a buck and your whining aint going to make a whit of difference!

Does anyone at UAL actually like their job?

First off, there is no " out so seniority" since I'm assuming u haven't seen the combined SL, I know I haven't. Therefore you don't know who is senior to who.
Secondly, your not gonna like the latest rumor is that there will be a 75 west coast bid on the January CAL system bid.

Yes. I just don't like our management or how we have been treated in the past. The job itself...I like.

You have to learn to say "dude" on the radio.

CAL was a West coast airline. Even had bases out there. UAL was instrumental in running CAL out. Karma is a b____!

There are no CAL captains that hold their position "out of seniority". It is their seniority that allows them to hold it. Sure, there are a couple senior widebody FO's that don't bid narrowbody captain. That doesn't mean the junior narrowbody captain shouldn't hold it either. Maybe we should give our captain spots to the UAL pilots without jobs?

As a merged airline, bases and aircraft will be moved around. CAL pilots have NO say in it. I was born and raised in the SF bay area. Don't worry, I'm staying in EWR (PA). I defected from the People's Republic of Kalifornia and I'm not going back!

I say get over it. The legacy U 73's are LONG gone from SFO, and the legacy U dudes who are to be "denigrated" should have insisted the JCBA be structured accordingly.

Therefore; legacy "U" dudes...shut up and color and get over the fact that these events are occurring. We have been required to "share" this turd of an agreement...we "share" all hubs, flying, and equipment. Get over it...

What fences? Can't find them mentioned in the JCBA!

Aren't fences normally part of the SLI negotiations?

WHAT?!!!! You guys ratified a contract without any negotiated cost provisions for fences?! Well...you wanted it. Like I've said in other threads, that ship has sailed. Fence costs are a negotiated item. The JCBA has NO provision for the costs of fences.

I'm sure the company will give you a side letter if you whine enough...

Don't have an aneurysm. It was a question. I thought that is how it worked out in the DAL/NWA SLI. Personally I don't give a ******. This profession is so pathetic as a career you can only use it as a part-time gig, like flipping hamburgers.:(

I understand the emotion involved :)

Let's stay on topic.

Anyone hear anything new?

Yes, fences are normally part of the SLI and NOT part of the JCBA.

That being said, I hope there aren't any fences. Let's just get on with it, get the SLI arbitrated, and move forward together.

Fences are part of the SLI process...not the JCBA.

I agree...if you want to troll or be negative get the F off this thread and get back to X-box or post postive things for the future...all done with the negativity and eye poking.:eek: