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APC225 03-09-2013 05:03 AM


Originally Posted by Tony Nelson (Post 1368180)
Exactly. They should have just skipped mediation and gone right to arbitration. Could have saved a few months of new hires.

OR could have saved even more months of new hires by agreeing to an ISL now. It could be a done deal with pilots on both sides filling the 588 vacancies at the combined UAL in their new seniority order. Instead, the 500 vacancies on the LCAL side will continue to be filled by mostly new hires right through the summer and well into the fall. The JCBA yes vote seemed to be driven by the desire to stop the upgrade of junior LCAL pilots into CA slots and for LUAL to gain control of the union to show LCAL how the pros do it. Now that all gets kicked down the road.

SoCalGuy 03-09-2013 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by Tony Nelson (Post 1368180)
Exactly. They should have just skipped mediation and gone right to arbitration. Could have saved a few months of new hires.

In going through the sequential "steps" that have already delineated via the TPA will only help bolster ALPA's stance concerning any future/potential DFR filed suits that "may" arise.

Regardless if all parties (L-CAL/UAL MEC's) suddenly/mutually agree to "skip" a step(s) in the prior determined TPA (SLI negotiated avenues via direct/mediated/arbitrated paths), it would leave "legal questions" in the future as to why the TPA's (ALPA 'sponsored') outlined path was deviated from during the SLI process.

Having future Plaintiff's say that they were not fairly represented by parties in the process can be "subjective". However, when sequential avenues were completely omitted in the process (even though they were mutual/MEC agreeed) as mentioned above, that could lead to glaring questions as to "WHY" when future DFR suits are heard in court.

Anyway you cut it, ALPA Nat'l is already 0-1 over the last decade when getting sued in a major DFR/Merger suit......a'la TWA v APA. My money's on ALPA legal making sure ALL parties follow the agreement to the "T". It's no secret, today's world is a litigious society.

<sorry about the drift>
Course Corrected.

EWR73FO 03-09-2013 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1368207)
OR could have saved even more months of new hires by agreeing to an ISL now. It could be a done deal with pilots on both sides filling the 588 vacancies at the combined UAL in their new seniority order. Instead, the 500 vacancies on the LCAL side will continue to be filled by mostly new hires right through the summer and well into the fall. The JCBA yes vote seemed to be driven by the desire to stop the upgrade of junior LCAL pilots into CA slots and for LUAL to gain control of the union to show LCAL how the pros do it. Now that all gets kicked down the road.


Now who could have seen that coming?:rolleyes:


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