Well said. Right now the the performance metrics of this operation, financially and operationally, should be a major concern for all of us. In the fall of 2000 with a nice new contract in place it was "Management's problem." It didn't take long for it to become everyone's problem with disastrous consequences. We had better hope that the AA / US merger runs into as many problems as our own. We sure haven't given DAL much to worry about thus far. Now back to the utterly important nitpicking at each other......

The reason I brought up the "F" word is that I'm thinking of what this management team may/is capable of come 2016-17.

Come 1 Jan 2016, UAL can have 153 of these "76" seaters and 102 "70" seaters.

1-C-1-a-(2)-(c) Up to a total of 255 76-Seat Aircraft plus 70-Seat Aircraft (“76/70- Seat Aircraft”), of which up to 130 may be 76-Seat Aircraft, and then, on or after January 1, 2016, up to 153 76-Seat Aircraft.



Those aircraft will be allowed to fly up to 120% of United Mainline Single Aisle Block hours.

To me, it's a perfect set-up in if the company parks the A319's, threatens Furloughs if we don't accept some sort of concessions when the next contract talks begin.
The other gorilla in the room is the "NSNB' aircraft.



1-L-25 “New Small Narrowbody Aircraft” means a CS100, E190 or E195 aircraft, provided that such aircraft is neither in the Company Fleet as of the date of signing of this Agreement nor acquired through merger or acquisition of another air carrier.


Unfortunately we did not secure a payscale for the CS100.


For 2016, the Payscales are=
EMB195 12yr Capt - $163.88
EMB190 12yr Capt - $139.42
CRJ900 12yr Capt - $139.42
CS300 12yr Capt - $208.63


I'm gonna expect the CS100 will pay somewhere less than $139.42.


So now the door may be open to get a CS300/100 combo (or a E190/195 combo), which will allow the company to go above the 153 limit on 76 seaters at UAX.

25 CS's (15-100's, 10-300's) would allow up to 173 "76" seaters flying up to 104% of our Single Aisle Block hours.


So basically, the company will be able to reduce higher paying aircraft for smaller paying aircraft at mainline and at the same time, increase the number of larger RJ's at the UAX side.


Oh, and here's the last kicker-

1-C-1-h Effect of Furlough
If a Pilot on the Seniority List with an employment date prior to the date of signing of this Agreement is placed on furlough, the Company shall convert all 76-Seat Aircraft for operation as 70-Seat Aircraft. The number of such aircraft shall continue to be limited as though they were being operated as 76-Seat Aircraft. The Company may again commence operating such Aircraft as 76-Seat Aircraft effective on the date that the most junior Pilot protected by the first sentence of this Section 1-C-1-h is recalled from furlough.

My opinion is that anyone hired this year and next is safe, but can expect a serious bump backwards come 2016-17.
Anyone hired 2015-2016 will probably be on the bubble.

Me, I will be on 9th yr pay and expect to become stagnant or take a pay cut.

These are just my opinions, but the reality is- we left a huge hole in this TA by not having a CS100 payscale. And, our "NSNB" scales are lacking too. Also, the ratio of "NSNB" aircraft to extra "76" seaters is lacking.

BUT-
We got a killer A380 Payscale~
We got that going for us!

Motch

They have always been able to do this. We've never had any protections on minimum aircraft that they had to fly or what types of aircraft.

No, Lee Moak has that going for HIM. Amazing how our contract benefits SOMEONE THAT DOESN'T EVEN WORK FOR US!!!!!

Agreed..but then explain to me how/why Delta Pilots made sure they secured an aircraft that at least pays more than our comparative NSNB with regards to larger RJ's.

We did HAVE protection on what our next smaller replacement aircraft should pay.

The Delta guys have B717's that pay 12yr Capt - $184 (today).

Honest question.
Motch

BTW, in 2015 (Delta's last year of their current PWA)
B717 12yr Capt - $195.19
E195 12yr Capt - $163.88
E190 12yr Capt - $139.42
CRJ9 12yr Capt - $139.42

I'm guessing because they knew about the AirTran 717s. I don't think we would get those aircraft, and if we did we would just match the rates.

I personally wouldn't feel any better seeing a pay schedule for an airplane we don't have ala A-380.

I'd venture a guess they sell them to generate a profit, sheer guess though.

I personally wear the red clip 'cause it spares the "you're a new hire? From United?? What's the deal???" discussion...easier to have them notice and simply say "oh yeah, got it"..end of clarification...

Hopefully a few DAL guys can chime in here-
It is my understanding that Delta did not have the 717 deal finalized when they came up it the payscale. But they did have an agreement that involved 717's and RJ's.

We don't have a CS100 order yet. But we have it listed as a NSNB Aircraft with regards to future increases in Large RJ's at UAX.

Maybe you don't feel ok, I don't. Just difference of opinions here.

Time will tell which one of us is/was right about these aircraft. Chances are, we will both be talking about this issue in the years to come~

Motch

Try and look at this simply. There's a million what ifs and gotchas in aviation. Take your pick of doomsday scenarios.

What we do know is as this global economy turns, which it will, driven by consumption and a burgeoning emerging market middle class-the price of fuel will go up.

The 76 seaters are a stop gap. Like the 50s they also meet their apex of revenue vs cost at a certain fuel price and mxt cost. They to will become dinosaurs.

Where the orders? The Max and NEO and stop gap 76 seaters. Why? Because looking 10-15 years down the road these jets (Max Neo) are all the strategists have to go one from planning. They burn less gas, sell more stuff and the smaller jets fill in where they don't make sense.

The jets HAVE to become bigger, more efficient, more densely packed and sell more stuff to make money over time.

If your on the bottom of the list at a regional better scramble up to halfway or get your resume polished up. The regionals are shrinking. They are dying not because what some pilots want in scope but because soon their jets just won't be big enough to turn a buck on a lot of flying. They will have a place. They will have a role but a much smaller one going forward. Not rocket surgery here.