This order being discussed is not a CRJ 900. A CRJ 900 would have to be flown by mainline.

The fact is you can't buy a 50 seat or a 70 seat aircraft anymore, and our "scope choke" is predicated on 76 seat aircraft for feed and 90 seat aircraft for flying at the mainline. Express flying will fall in the coming decade, if it doesn't I will buy all the beer for anyone I fly with from 2023 on :) and I won't retire until 2031.

Contractually, this has already been determined to be a 76 seat airplane (rated 85,000 lbs but 88 seats max capacity) that triggers scope choke. It's good news not bad. It is an indication that the ALPA plan is working and they are planning on replacing 50 seaters with 76 seaters to the extent allowed. If you don't believe me call your ALPA rep who worked on this topic.








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As a LCAL Pilot, I would gladly go back to my old Scope.
The reality is.. the 50 seaters are a dying breed.
What the company wants (and got) and what passengers want is/are and Jet Aircraft with a First/Business class that is comfortable and profitable on long (2-3 hour flights) segments.

The reality is, the Q400 is a good airplane, but it is not going to fill the mission that these E175's are going to.

At the end of the day, our (CAL) old Scope was a disadvantage to the company when compared to what the competition is/was doing.
I believe that is called "Leverage".

It is what it is. But I just feel that the money that UAL/UCH just spent (reported as a value of 2.9 BILLION [though we know it is probably much much less]) for these aircraft to be operated by non UAL Employees (Pilots, F/A's, Mechanics...) could and should have been spent towards giving us Full Retro, Delta + something TODAY and a host of other things~

We'll get them in 2020.

Motch

PS> Someone remember this Thread in about 3-4 years when we are furloughing, parking the A319's and growing the Large RJ Fleet.

PPS> Just my opinion...

And when your scope is a 50-seat jet you actually have 737s to fly. 737s may be "small" but they're employing a lot of pilots--at the mainline. Yes, we are getting excited, but not in an optimistic way. If this is big boy league, then it's too bad we've finally made it. BTW 2010 LCAL international block hours 562k; LUAL 431k.

Go back to some of the financial reports. XJT ERJ's were scheduled to be parked BEFORE the JCBA even was drafted.

"The E175s will be operated under the United Express brand. The aircraft will be configured in a 76-seat layout. The first delivery is scheduled for the first quarter of 2014."

We will know in a year from today how many 50 seaters are parked for the arrival of these new aircraft. Hopefully someone can reference this Thread then!

I no longer reach out to my FO Rep after she told me, on the phone.. "Do not believe the $400 million Retro rumor, or the PayScale leaks."
That was at the beginning of Nov 12 before the MEC had their TA Vote.

Guess we'll get them in 2020.

Motch

United says it will fly the new planes under its United Express brand, and will configure them as 46-seaters to offer a large first-class section, and larger overhead storage bins. The planes will replace older 50-seat aircraft -- yet may help make up for carrying fewer customers by being more fuel efficient.

Just got this from a Mötley Fool article.

No it doesn't. If its under 86,000 MGTOW lbs slap that Express title on it. Hint hint check Delta. And you claim I lack understanding of our scope clause?

As I said Joe I probably shouldn't of bothered objecting when you said 'scope choke is working'. If you want to believe our scope is working against management go right ahead. The simple truth is this issue goes far beyond ASM's and fleet counts.

It's hard to believe after three decades of consistently losing our collective arses this generation of airline pilots surrendered yet another hull size to the regionals. Management has optimized scope to meet the challenges the market brought, not ALPA. There will be consequences for all of us including pompous widebody pilots with 18 years longevity.