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Shrek 06-20-2013 10:08 AM
Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 1431658)
I'm confident you are sincere in this belief. Wadr, how do you think we can make this the best or worst airline overriding the action of management? Aside from showing up for work, flying safe, and treating people like human beings, what else do you sincerely think we can do?
Nothing and that is what is escaping some pilots. No matter how much you carry an airplane that should be fixed or skimp on fuel it will not make a dent in the overall picture.

MGT can affect the bottom line more in either direction drastically. Pilots can only have a large effect to the bottom line if an airframe goes down on their watch.

Be safe.

Boneman 06-21-2013 12:02 PM
Originally Posted by LAX Pilot (Post 1430957)
Another great benefit of merging with CAL.....
Maybe L-UAL could learn a thing or two from L-CAL:

No. 1 Most Admired Global Airline; Fortune Magazine (2004–2009)

No. 1 Most Admired U.S. Airline; Fortune Magazine (2006–2007, 2010)

No. 1 Greenest U.S. Airline; Greenopia (2009)

No. 1 Pet-Friendly Airline; PetFinder.org (2009)

Best Executive/Business Class; OAG Airline of the Year Awards (2003–2007, 2009)

Best Airline Based in North America; OAG Airline of the Year Awards (2003–2009)

Best U.S. Carrier Trans-Atlantic and Trans-Pacific Business Class; Condι Nast Traveler (1999–2006)

Best Airline for North American Travel; Business Traveler Magazine (2006–2009)

Best Large Domestic Airline (Premium Seating); Zagat Airline Survey(2008)

Best Value for the Money (International); Zagat Airline Survey (2009)

Highest-Ranked Network Airline; J.D. Power and Associates (2007)

Airline of the Year; OAG (2004–2005)

Let the flames begin! :D

SebastianDesoto 06-21-2013 12:16 PM
Originally Posted by Shrek (Post 1431695)
As long as the airlines in competition are not govt owned I would take that bet. Without that - it is a rigged game.

I really hope I don't see your wish come true in my lifetime.
Government subsidies are given in many ways, not just direct ownership. Bailouts anyone? Even the railway labor act is an indirect rigging if the system.

Don't even get me started on limited liability, the root cause of undermining true free market.

It would be a difficult transition, but the product would be better and you'd probably have a much better job and dignity to go with it.

oldmako 06-21-2013 12:53 PM
Methinks we'd be unemployed.

LAX Pilot 06-21-2013 12:53 PM
Originally Posted by Boneman (Post 1432142)
Maybe L-UAL could learn a thing or two from L-CAL:

No. 1 Most Admired Global Airline; Fortune Magazine (2004–2009)

No. 1 Most Admired U.S. Airline; Fortune Magazine (2006–2007, 2010)

No. 1 Greenest U.S. Airline; Greenopia (2009)

No. 1 Pet-Friendly Airline; PetFinder.org (2009)

Best Executive/Business Class; OAG Airline of the Year Awards (2003–2007, 2009)

Best Airline Based in North America; OAG Airline of the Year Awards (2003–2009)

Best U.S. Carrier Trans-Atlantic and Trans-Pacific Business Class; Condι Nast Traveler (1999–2006)

Best Airline for North American Travel; Business Traveler Magazine (2006–2009)

Best Large Domestic Airline (Premium Seating); Zagat Airline Survey(2008)

Best Value for the Money (International); Zagat Airline Survey (2009)

Highest-Ranked Network Airline; J.D. Power and Associates (2007)

Airline of the Year; OAG (2004–2005)

Let the flames begin! :D
These awards are given to the airline that provides the most free travel to whatever entity is grading them.

United has the same list, just as long, for giving away free air miles to companies that rate other companies.

SebastianDesoto 06-21-2013 01:23 PM
Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 1432164)
Methinks we'd be unemployed.
Wish I could edit that post on my phone. Last line sounded like a personal attack. When I mean "you," I mean as a collective whole.

Many Asian carriers can't staff their airlines. That's why there are contract jobs. They'd probably pay you well in the first year. Most of the people on this thread have a vast amount of expertise that would go over well and be recognized.

Everyone here knows an Asian carrier takeover will not likely happen. But the point is to draw contrast.

routemap 06-21-2013 01:45 PM
Originally Posted by Boneman (Post 1432142)
Maybe L-UAL could learn a thing or two from L-CAL:

No. 1 Most Admired Global Airline; Fortune Magazine (2004–2009)

No. 1 Most Admired U.S. Airline; Fortune Magazine (2006–2007, 2010)

No. 1 Greenest U.S. Airline; Greenopia (2009)

No. 1 Pet-Friendly Airline; PetFinder.org (2009)

Best Executive/Business Class; OAG Airline of the Year Awards (2003–2007, 2009)

Best Airline Based in North America; OAG Airline of the Year Awards (2003–2009)

Best U.S. Carrier Trans-Atlantic and Trans-Pacific Business Class; Condι Nast Traveler (1999–2006)

Best Airline for North American Travel; Business Traveler Magazine (2006–2009)

Best Large Domestic Airline (Premium Seating); Zagat Airline Survey(2008)

Best Value for the Money (International); Zagat Airline Survey (2009)

Highest-Ranked Network Airline; J.D. Power and Associates (2007)

Airline of the Year; OAG (2004–2005)

Let the flames begin! :D

Great list, thanks for posting.

Really 06-21-2013 01:59 PM
Originally Posted by LAX Pilot (Post 1432165)
These awards are given to the airline that provides the most free travel to whatever entity is grading them.

United has the same list, just as long, for giving away free air miles to companies that rate other companies.


You're kidding right? Go ahead and do some research and give us the list and years pre Merger UAL won all these acculades so we can compare? :rolleyes:

LAX Pilot 06-21-2013 02:12 PM
Originally Posted by Really (Post 1432203)
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You're kidding right? Go ahead and do some research and give us the list and years pre Merger UAL won all these acculades so we can compare? :rolleyes:
Don't need to. First, I'm not sure what an "acculade" is. Second, CAL lost money most of those years, so I'll just go with the 4 quarters prior to the merger.

You can have the award, I'll take the $$.

Staller 06-21-2013 03:33 PM
Originally Posted by Boneman (Post 1432142)
Maybe L-UAL could learn a thing or two from L-CAL:

No. 1 Most Admired Global Airline; Fortune Magazine (2004–2009)

No. 1 Most Admired U.S. Airline; Fortune Magazine (2006–2007, 2010)

No. 1 Greenest U.S. Airline; Greenopia (2009)

No. 1 Pet-Friendly Airline; PetFinder.org (2009)

Best Executive/Business Class; OAG Airline of the Year Awards (2003–2007, 2009)

Best Airline Based in North America; OAG Airline of the Year Awards (2003–2009)

Best U.S. Carrier Trans-Atlantic and Trans-Pacific Business Class; Condι Nast Traveler (1999–2006)

Best Airline for North American Travel; Business Traveler Magazine (2006–2009)

Best Large Domestic Airline (Premium Seating); Zagat Airline Survey(2008)

Best Value for the Money (International); Zagat Airline Survey (2009)

Highest-Ranked Network Airline; J.D. Power and Associates (2007)

Airline of the Year; OAG (2004–2005)

Let the flames begin! :D
Trying to find something to be proud of there - SAD!


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