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You guys are living in a longevity dream world. BTW, Jay Pierce shot JFK.

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Originally Posted by Skyflyin (Post 1449135)

No, what would be fair, IMO, is to count longevity for ALL pilots, both CAL and UAL through April 2013.

Couldn't disagree with you more. And neither could past precedence. If what you consider fair is adopted, it will be a huge detriment to the piloting profession in future mergers. It pits one side against the other, encourages delays, end run maneuvers, and means that for one side, the longer you go without a contract, the better it is in the ISL. I know it works out for the LCAL to be a benefit this time to desire 2013, but it might not for the NEXT merger if you find yourself on the shrinking side.

A basic tenet that I've adopted for myself (not that my opinion counts for anything besides my own mental well being) is to constantly evaluate what I think is "fair" against how I would feel if we had merged with USAIRways and were the junior pilot group. If it doesn't past that sniff test for me, I discard it from my thinking. For example, DOH would be great for me in this merger. It would be not so hot for me in a Airways merger, so I know that backing that proposal wouldn't be fair in my mind.

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Originally Posted by larryiah (Post 1449395)

You guys are living in a longevity dream world. BTW, Jay Pierce shot JFK.

Saying it for the second time isn't going to change the fact that everyone pretty much ignores you at this point.

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Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 1449422)

Saying it for the second time isn't going to change the fact that everyone pretty much ignores you at this point.

Well obviously you didn't. Lol

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Originally Posted by LAX Pilot (Post 1449341)

That's even better for the furloughees who returned. It puts some of them up to 9 years of longevity because they are back at United now, accumulating longevity and recalled.

You can't have it both ways. You can't claim longevity to April 2013 then say the furloughees haven't been recalled to the United side so their time on property doesn't count.

DEAL! OK, you work your side and I'll work mine. Ready.....BREAK!

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Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1449344)

Longevity. Status and Category. Career expectations. Those "tenants". I suspect your side's kindergarten proposal will be chucked in the can, and my 1997 proposed stapled arse will be senior to at least 1/3 of your airline. Along with the nearly 1000 other 1997 hires. Watch and see. :cool:Sled

" The merger representatives shall carefully weigh all the equities inherent in their merger situation. In joint session, the merger representatives should attempt to match equities to various methods of integration until a fair and equitable integrated seniority list is reached. Factors to be considered in constructing a fair and equitable integrated list, in no particular order and with no particular weight, shall include but not be limited to the following:..."

Didn't see or read the word "tenant" ... Both sides reps who served on the re-write committee didn't mention tenant; in fact, both sides agreed the change was made to emphasize "fair and equitable" and de-emphasize the limitations of the old 5 factors. Are we reading the same policy? Or is there a special "FOR L-UAL PILOTS ONLY" copy floating around?

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Originally Posted by LAX Pilot (Post 1449338)

For the obvious reason that hiring a new pilot off the street under the CAL work rules was cheaper than recalling a furloughee who may be on 8th year pay under the UAL work rules and higher overall compensation plan. Management chose the cheapest solution.

Did your pre-UPA contract allow this to happen, or better yet, prevent this from happening?

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Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 1449422)

Saying it for the second time isn't going to change the fact that everyone pretty much ignores you at this point.

I wouldn't. I just missed it.

Larry is right: Jay shot JFK... and Monica.

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Originally Posted by Eisbaer (Post 1449637)

I wouldn't. I just missed it.

Larry is right: Jay shot JFK... and Monica.

Monica? Do you mean Marilyn? Monica was Bill's girl. She is still around. Bill was there when Elvis died.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YJH9OINr1VU

There is absolutely no point conversing with these guys. Unless of of course your talking to them about how they are gonna be widebody captains right after ISL, after all they were hired in 1997. Larry, I like your first tag much better. BLAME GLENN.