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jsled 08-11-2013 07:46 PM

September Bump ??
 
The lastest rumor is a sizable bump in September on the s-UAL 75/76. Not a big stretch with 6 a/c leaving in the 3rd QTR and 13 in the 4th QTR.

Company Outlook
Fleet Plan
As of July 25, 2013, the Company’s fleet plan was as follows:
Mainline Aircraft in Scheduled Service
B757-200/300 154 (2) (2) (6) (13) 131 (23)

United Continental Holdings, Inc. - Investor Relations - Investor Relations

click on Investor Updates. Then 7/25/2013.

horrido27 08-11-2013 07:53 PM

What is worse is when you look at the totals-
Start the year with 702 mainline aircraft.
End the year with 692 mainline aircraft.

However...
Start the year with 551 Regional Aircraft.
End the year with 576 Regional Aircraft.

;(

LAX Pilot 08-11-2013 08:38 PM

I wonder how many will bump down into the Guppy or Airbus?

Sonny Crockett 08-12-2013 03:38 AM

There are 106 vacancies on the 756 in IAH on the LCAL side....according to this last bid.

Go figure?

:rolleyes:

SpecialTracking 08-12-2013 04:03 AM

I bet a lot of mid range seniority pilots will take the bump initially. Some FOs will go to the 777 and 400 if the junior number can hold it. Mid range Capts will go to narrow body. Senior Capts will have to wait for the 400 or 777, depending on how the isl works out. Who wants to be on a dying fleet?

horrido27 08-12-2013 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by Sonny Crockett (Post 1461008)
There are 106 vacancies on the 756 in IAH on the LCAL side....according to this last bid.

Go figure?

:rolleyes:

Exactly..
We get a Union Blastmail about the scheduling issues and that IAH is Overstaffed.
We have IAH 756 crews deadheading in and out of EWR and IAD to do EWR flying.
We heard that the 767-400 flying was being transferred to EWR.

Yet IAH has the most vacancies on the latest bid?

Goes to show that the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing!

Motch

Carolsdanger 08-12-2013 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 1461082)
Exactly..
We get a Union Blastmail about the scheduling issues and that IAH is Overstaffed.
We have IAH 756 crews deadheading in and out of EWR and IAD to do EWR flying.
We heard that the 767-400 flying was being transferred to EWR.

Yet IAH has the most vacancies on the latest bid?

Goes to show that the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing!

Motch

Or could it be Jeff's parting gift to JP for his continued support.

larryiah 08-12-2013 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by Carolsdanger (Post 1461165)
Or could it be Jeff's parting gift to JP for his continued support.

Jay Pierce shot JFK.

davessn763 08-13-2013 12:45 AM


Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 1460952)
What is worse is when you look at the totals-
Start the year with 702 mainline aircraft.
End the year with 692 mainline aircraft.

However...
Start the year with 551 Regional Aircraft.
End the year with 576 Regional Aircraft.

;(

Scope Choke!

Is there a gagging emoticon?

davessn763 08-13-2013 12:51 AM


Originally Posted by davessn763 (Post 1461611)
Scope Choke!

Is there a gagging emoticon?

Also of note loss of 23 hulls on the l-UAL side and a gain of 13 hulls on the l-cal side.

horrido27 08-13-2013 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by davessn763 (Post 1461612)
Also of note loss of 23 hulls on the l-UAL side and a gain of 13 hulls on the l-cal side.

Please explain that...

jsled 08-13-2013 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by davessn763 (Post 1461612)
Also of note loss of 23 hulls on the l-UAL side and a gain of 13 hulls on the l-cal side.

Nope. The SLI is less than 1 month away. Then there are no sides.

LeeMat 08-13-2013 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1461738)
Nope. The SLI is less than 1 month away. Then there are no sides.

SLI is already here! ALPA is holding on to the little secret until after Labor day...All of these United manpower announcements over the last week are driven by the SLI award of which ALPA and Management were waiting for.

The MCD appetizer will taste good for some, and I am not talking a MCDonald's meal. I hear it cost around $20.10

cadetdrivr 08-13-2013 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by LeeMat (Post 1461761)
MCD appetizer will taste good for some, and I am not talking a MCDonald's meal. I hear it cost 20.10

If that's the correct appetizer, then it's three cents less than many were hoping for, eh? ;)

LeeMat 08-13-2013 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 1461766)
If that's the correct appetizer, then it's three cents less than many were hoping for, eh? ;)

The best bumper sticker I have ever read, said: "Its all RELATIVE is West Virginia"

jetlink 08-13-2013 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 1460952)
What is worse is when you look at the totals-
Start the year with 702 mainline aircraft.
End the year with 692 mainline aircraft.

However...
Start the year with 551 Regional Aircraft.
End the year with 576 Regional Aircraft.

;(

You agreed to TA and scope, as you did before.

horrido27 08-13-2013 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by jetlink (Post 1461779)
You agreed to TA and scope, as you did before.

huh?!
Seriously.. what are you trying to say?

skypest 08-13-2013 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by LeeMat (Post 1461761)
SLI is already here! ALPA is holding on to the little secret until after Labor day...

Really ??

Highly doubtful.

jetlink 08-13-2013 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 1461825)
huh?!
Seriously.. what are you trying to say?

New UA is adjusting ratio of main line to regional per 2012 TA. Next time you vote for a contract read it. I guess it's common for L-UAL to vote first, read later. L-UAL pilots tends to give up scope and then they are surprised by seeing "regional partners" taking their flying away. I guess we are right sizing for next merger. :-)

horrido27 08-13-2013 10:06 AM

jetlink ^
YOU might want to do a little research before you start accusing people on this forum.

Motch

WarEagle28 08-13-2013 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by jetlink (Post 1461955)
New UA is adjusting ratio of main line to regional per 2012 TA. Next time you vote for a contract read it. I guess it's common for L-UAL to vote first, read later. L-UAL pilots tends to give up scope and then they are surprised by seeing "regional partners" taking their flying away. I guess we are right sizing for next merger. :-)

Motch was a "NO" vote, get your facts straight boss.

jsled 08-13-2013 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by LeeMat (Post 1461761)
SLI is already here! ALPA is holding on to the little secret until after Labor day...All of these United manpower announcements over the last week are driven by the SLI award of which ALPA and Management were waiting for.

The MCD appetizer will taste good for some, and I am not talking a MCDonald's meal. I hear it cost around $20.10

If only it were true!! What is true is that when the MEC calls a special session in the next few weeks, then we will know the list is done. $20.10 sounds just about right to me. ;)

Blockoutblockin 08-13-2013 11:00 AM

It is true lol but you have to understand the exceptions i.e., the fine print to realize the broader impact on the opposing arguments. Taken in whole the MCD effectively becomes and continuing the theme $20.11 and some extra change. Overall, it is very rational and in compliance with current ALPA methodology.

SEDPA 08-13-2013 11:13 AM

I just figured it out .... Massively Delusional ... :):D

davessn763 08-13-2013 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1461738)
Nope. The SLI is less than 1 month away. Then there are no sides.

Gee sled don't you think the arbs saw that before they decided on the SLI? Or do you truly believed no one saw the company parking 23 757's over the course of this year?

And yes we are all in the big incredibly shrinking airline now, that was a fact after the DOJ approved the merger. Too bad we didn't send our negotiators back for better scope, maybee we would be expanding our narrowbodies and not RJ's and Turbo Props. TYYV.

jsled 08-13-2013 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by davessn763 (Post 1462059)
Gee sled don't you think the arbs saw that before they decided on the SLI? Or do you truly believed no one saw the company parking 23 757's over the course of this year?

Oh, they saw it. They also saw UCH order 50 737-900ERs last July to replace the 757s. So you could say they are coming to the UAL side, using your logic.

Sled

jsled 08-13-2013 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin (Post 1462029)
It is true lol but you have to understand the exceptions i.e., the fine print to realize the broader impact on the opposing arguments. Taken in whole the MCD effectively becomes and continuing the theme $20.11 and some extra change. Overall, it is very rational and in compliance with current ALPA methodology.

I have no doubt that you believe it's true. But the list is not done, contrary to popular rumor.

Sled

LeeMat 08-13-2013 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1462153)
I have no doubt that you believe it's true. But the list is not done, contrary to popular rumor.

Sled

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jsled 08-13-2013 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by LeeMat (Post 1462159)

Just like the PS settlement payment, right?? :rolleyes:

LAX Pilot 08-13-2013 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1462143)
Oh, they saw it. They also saw UCH order 50 737-900ERs last July to replace the 757s. So you could say they are coming to the UAL side, using your logic.

Sled

Sled,

If its a 737 is a CAL airplane. PERIOD. CAL INVENTED the 737. The growth that is causing all the new airplanes are from CAL and the global reach they provide from their Houston and New Jersey hubs, not to mention Cleveland. Cleveland is VERY KEY in a global route structure.

It makes total sense that UCAL now needs to feed DEN, LAX, SFO, SEA, ORD, and IAD with these new 737's to handle the new traffic generated by their Newark to Nigeria flights they do in the 777 (Knows affectionately as the "Big 737" at CAL)

CAL also flies the "Stretch 737" which everyone else calls the 757. The "Electric 737" which is a "game changer" as well as a number of turboprop airplanes known as the "Compact 737s".

So if its a 737 and UAL ever gets one, its because of CAL.

So next time you see a CAL pilot, be sure to thank him for the 737. But don't call it a "Guppy" because its the biggest jet he would have ever flown absent the merger, and you'll hurt his feelings.

Carolsdanger 08-13-2013 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1462168)
Just like the PS settlement payment, right?? :rolleyes:

Forgot about PS settlement. What's the official position or are they still in the process?

LeeMat 08-13-2013 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1462168)
Just like the PS settlement payment, right?? :rolleyes:

Yup, I hope that we did not negotiate that away for 22 SFO Captain bids! Do you even know if the July PS damage award meeting even took place? Crickets!

jsled 08-13-2013 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by Carolsdanger (Post 1462174)
Forgot about PS settlement. What's the official position or are they still in the process?

Still in "remedy" negotiations. Look for a contract tweek vs cash. That according to C33 officer in the meeting yesterday. The same C33 officer who laughed when asked if the "list already out" rumor was true. For the record, (and on the record) he denied the SLI list rumor.

Blockoutblockin 08-13-2013 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1462178)

Still in "remedy" negotiations. Look for a contract tweek vs cash. That according to C33 officer in the meeting yesterday. The same C33 officer who laughed when asked if the "list already out" rumor was true. For the record, (and on the record) he denied the list rumor.

Lmao, you really are naive.

jsled 08-13-2013 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin (Post 1462184)
Lmao, you really are naive.

yeah. Whatever. Tell you what know-it-all, if it's out tell us something about it.....that's what I thought. You are the one who is naive, believing every rumor you hear.

Carolsdanger 08-13-2013 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1462178)
Still in "remedy" negotiations. Look for a contract tweek vs cash. That according to C33 officer in the meeting yesterday. The same C33 officer who laughed when asked if the "list already out" rumor was true. For the record, (and on the record) he denied the SLI list rumor.

I can see Heppner letting that happen. I guess the continued rumor that UAL MEC are a bunch of Boy Scouts is true.

How can they justify sharing. For the guys that were affected and only a few years to go till retirement there is no way a contract improvement will compensate them.

LeeMat 08-13-2013 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1462178)
Still in "remedy" negotiations. Look for a contract tweek vs cash. That according to C33 officer in the meeting yesterday. The same C33 officer who laughed when asked if the "list already out" rumor was true. For the record, (and on the record) he denied the SLI list rumor.

Wow this J. Pierce guy is genius, he gets his pilots PS and contract improvements out of thin air...This guy is better than DUBO himself.

jsled 08-13-2013 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by LeeMat (Post 1462190)
Wow this J. Pierce guy is genius, he gets his pilots PS and contract improvements out of thin air...This guy is better than DUBO himself.

Remember, we only won the "violated the TPA" grievance, not the "CAL PS shorted us" grievance. At least so far. Would be tough to get cash out of that one.

Sled

Carolsdanger 08-13-2013 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by LeeMat (Post 1462190)
Wow this J. Pierce guy is genius, he gets his pilots PS and contract improvements out of thin air...This guy is better than DUBO himself.

It's a shame we didn't have DUBO leading the MEC through this merger. JP is not that smart just in Jeff's back pocket.

Slats Extend 08-13-2013 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by Carolsdanger (Post 1462189)
I can see Heppner letting that happen. I guess the continued rumor that UAL MEC are a bunch of Boy Scouts is true.

How can they justify sharing. For the guys that were affected and only a few years to go till retirement there is no way a contract improvement will compensate them.


Those guys got their compensation by flying the top equipment for 5 extra years that none of the rest of us will not experience. That is, until the retirement age gets changed again....


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