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Originally Posted by Ottolillienthal
(Post 1476637)
I think folks are mad because those that never got furloughed at all just got screwed. Also, the arbitrator is wrong. There was indeed a union on property during the flow-through agreement periods whereby COEX pilots were hired at mainline CAL. To state that there was no agreement in place, nor union in place is incorrect. I guess I paid union dues to something called IACP for nothing.
UAL downsized their airline and eliminated over 1400 positions. Those jobs went away along with the airplanes and those positions were subsequently absorbed by feeder/regional carriers flying RJ's. If you lost positions to a ghost pilot who was furloughed and who had absolutely no job to come back to then you probably are a bit miffed. 2)mainline is mainline and express is express. 3)those 1400 positions were not absorbed by feeders - not with 198 daily 737 departures out of DEN, LAX, and ORD per day. We know where those jobs went. 4)who cares? the Arbs have spoken and the deal is done. I don't care to hear your whine.....just kindly GET IN LINE. Longevity Sled....the Instant Captain WINDFALL man. aka JUMBO PS. I got YO staple right here |
Originally Posted by Really
(Post 1476658)
I haven't read the ruling. However, in my case your above statement is incorrect. There was a flow through agreement that I was part of but the IACP came on property 5 yrs later. There were many different agreements, thats the problem! The ISL puts it all to bed thankfully!!
I was referring to the agreement that IACP negotiated. I think there was two formal negotiated flow through agreements that brought guys over on a 3 to 1 ratio following an interview and sim check at mainline CAL. It was actually easier to get to CAL in the late 90's off the street than it was if you were a pilot at COEX. List has big problems. Not sure how you go from 43% to 66%. Fair and equitable my ...foot. |
Originally Posted by jsled
(Post 1476663)
1)I was never furloughed, so I guess I just got screwed, although not stapled behind all your furloughees like the CAL proposal.
2)mainline is mainline and express is express. 3)those 1400 positions were not absorbed by feeders - not with 198 daily 737 departures out of DEN, LAX, and ORD per day. We know where those jobs went. 4)who cares? the Arbs have spoken and the deal is done. I don't care to hear your whine.....just kindly GET IN LINE. Longevity Sled....the Instant Captain WINDFALL man. aka JUMBO PS. I got YO staple right here No, the pilot positions were eliminated at UAL. UAL parked the 737's. I never proposed stapling, but if the pilot position doesn't exist then it doesn't exist. Not sure how a furloughed pilot who is not active and unemployed has a right to anything. The career expectations of a furloughed pilot in the history of aviation aren't very high. |
Originally Posted by DMC12
(Post 1476480)
I am a 2005 CAL guy and I don't see a problem with the list. I am merged in with 1998 UAL pilots.
I was born in 1976, all of the UAL pilots near me in seniority were born in the early 1960s. Seems to me that they will be long gone for my last 10-15 years at the company. Why are CAL folks complaining? I am very happy with this list. In 1998 I was a junior in college. One of my flight instructors in college was hired at UAL in 2000. I am now 2,000 numbers ahead of him on the new list. Is that fair? Not really, considering that he had just graduated when I was a freshmen, but that is how this biz works out. I am just not understanding why CAL folks are mad? Also, how can I find out what the exact DOH is for the people I am merged in with? |
Originally Posted by Ottolillienthal
(Post 1476678)
No, the pilot positions were eliminated at UAL. UAL parked the 737's.
I never proposed stapling, but if the pilot position doesn't exist then it doesn't exist. Not sure how a furloughed pilot who is not active and unemployed has a right to anything. The career expectations of a furloughed pilot in the history of aviation aren't very high. |
Originally Posted by Ottolillienthal
(Post 1476678)
No, the pilot positions were eliminated at UAL. UAL parked the 737's.
I never proposed stapling, but if the pilot position doesn't exist then it doesn't exist. Not sure how a furloughed pilot who is not active and unemployed has a right to anything. The career expectations of a furloughed pilot in the history of aviation aren't very high. Career expectations are just 1/3 of the policy. Thanks to Brucia for helping the UAL furloughees. If he hadn't helped change the merger policy, it would have really hurt the UAL guys. |
Originally Posted by untied
(Post 1476727)
They did have longevity. We've been trying to explain to the CAL side for YEARS that longevity matters. You still don't see it??
Career expectations are just 1/3 of the policy. Thanks to Brucia for helping the UAL furloughees. If he hadn't helped change the merger policy, it would have really hurt the UAL guys. |
Originally Posted by Ottolillienthal
(Post 1476675)
List has big problems. Not sure how you go from 43% to 66%. Fair and equitable my ...foot. |
Some CAL pilots do not seem to want to READ the current Merger Policy.
Katz is not such a hero now is he? "May the Swartz be with you" ---my all time favorite! |
Originally Posted by gettinbumped
(Post 1476750)
I'm EXACTLY straight relative seniority.
Of course you can remove 120 pilots from your current number because that's how many have retired since April 2013 and those pilots are shown on the list. |
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