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jetlink 09-25-2013 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1490441)
This bidding page info isn't accurate. It shows totals before the vacancies have been updated. Shows zero for LAX 787s and off on the other positions, for example DCA 320 FO is 186 now.

I know that: the total adds up to only 10,260 pilots
Perhaps 2000 + pilots are going to be furlough soon :D

APC225 09-25-2013 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by jetlink (Post 1490446)
I know that: the total adds up to only 10,260 pilots
Perhaps 2000 + pilots are going to be furlough soon :D

Interesting you would say that. The note at the bottom says "Active pilots are pilots not on a long term absence and are not projected to retire within the training period above [1/30/2014]"

Could that be the difference?

APC225 09-25-2013 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 1490444)
Yup, and the actual VACANCY BULLETIN (w/ MIN-MAX & totals) and the Vacancy Bidding instructions were both pulled from FlyingTogether.

Something is up.

They moved it. It's under Flight Operations, sCO Staffing, Vacancy Bid, 14-02.

JohnHale 09-25-2013 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1490515)
They moved it. It's under Flight Operations, sCO Staffing, Vacancy Bid, 14-02.


What's your best guess to the happenings going on. IT department, man power planning or management?

jetlink 09-25-2013 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1490453)
Interesting you would say that. The note at the bottom says "Active pilots are pilots not on a long term absence and are not projected to retire within the training period above [1/30/2014]"

Could that be the difference?

1402 Vacancy bid totals

_____________Active_____Min______Max______Vacancy
System CAP____4,380_____4,164____4,456_____76
System F/O____5,642_____5,437____5,807_____165

System Total___10,022____9,600____10,263____241

APC225 09-25-2013 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by JohnHale (Post 1490522)
What's your best guess to the happenings going on. IT department, man power planning or management?

Rarely do the numbers match the way we think they should. CAL always seemed to have too few pilots to comfortably fly the hours, relying on paying 200% to get them through the peaks. Between the ISL (which was based on numbers 3 years ago) and active-only pilots today and CAL's staffing model, it looks like they're leaning things out. I think the JCBA has a staffing model in it, but it may not be in effect yet.

jetlink 09-25-2013 03:06 PM

1402 Vacancy bid totals

_____________Active_____Min______Max______Vacancy
System CAP____4,380_____4,164____4,456_____76
System F/O____5,642_____5,437____5,807_____165

System Total___10,022____9,600____10,263____241

Total retirements between Oct 2013 and Feb 2014 - 79


Vacancy bid numbers below are correct:

Vacancy bid:
Category (Base-Equipment-Seat) # of positions in category

CLE-737-CA 109
CLE-737-FO 106
DCA-320-CA 157
DCA-320-FO 180
DCA-76T-CA 140
DCA-76T-FO 189
DCA-777-CA 149
DCA-777-FO 304
DEN-320-CA 228
DEN-320-FO 264
DEN-737-CA 95
DEN-737-FO 98
DEN-76T-CA 117
DEN-76T-FO 110
EWR-737-CA 340
EWR-737-FO 336
EWR-756-CA 338
EWR-756-FO 427
EWR-777-CA 151
EWR-777-FO 351
GUM-737-CA 72
GUM-737-FO 79
IAH-320-CA 49
IAH-320-FO 59
IAH-737-CA 645
IAH-737-FO 639
IAH-756-CA 162
IAH-756-FO 130
IAH-76T-CA 45
IAH-76T-FO 89
IAH-777-CA 45
IAH-777-FO 95
IAH-787-CA 62
IAH-787-FO 184
JFK-320-CA 46
JFK-320-FO 44
JFK-76T-CA 70
JFK-76T-FO 106
LAX-320-CA 107
LAX-320-FO 120
LAX-737-CA 93
LAX-737-FO 98
LAX-747-CA 17
LAX-747-FO 46
LAX-76T-CA 102
LAX-76T-FO 99
LAX-777-CA 35
LAX-777-FO 83
LAX-787-CA 0
LAX-787-FO 0
ORD-320-CA 241
ORD-320-FO 256
ORD-737-CA 95
ORD-737-FO 97
ORD-747-CA 0
ORD-747-FO 0
ORD-76T-CA 176
ORD-76T-FO 218
ORD-777-CA 97
ORD-777-FO 258
SEA-76T-CA 21
SEA-76T-FO 21
SEA-777-CA 12
SEA-777-FO 22
SFO-320-CA 116
SFO-320-FO 123
SFO-737-CA 40
SFO-737-FO 31
SFO-747-CA 156
SFO-747-FO 327
SFO-76T-CA 86
SFO-76T-FO 82
SFO-777-CA 71
SFO-777-FO 104

756IAHFO 09-25-2013 05:55 PM

The IAH 756 numbers don't make sense. There are around 220 FOs now in that category and this bid shows 130 or so?

GoCats67 09-25-2013 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by 756IAHFO (Post 1490688)
The IAH 756 numbers don't make sense. There are around 220 FOs now in that category and this bid shows 130 or so?

How many had bid out on the prior System Bid? I wonder if the reduction reflects all the guys that had taken bids previously and are now in training (or going in Oct or Nov)?

That seems like too large a discrepency for just that to explain it, but I also wouldn't think that IAH would need 200+ 67 F/O's , as there aren't that many departures from IAH on legacy CAL 57s or 67s.

jetlink 09-25-2013 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by Shrek (Post 1490617)
Very funny ***.

Take a chill pill Dude, if that happens I'll be one of them.


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