I believe each of the two CAL bases, NYC & IAH, have more Pilots than ORD.

None the less,

Bob Fox (UAL) VC 17-5
Dave Earnest (CAL) Secretary 17-5
Eric Hunter (CAL) Treasurer 15-7

Very true statement.

I was obviously speaking of LUAL LEC's. ORD was the biggest.

Secretary and Treasurer for CAL? That's fine. Absolutely no power, but CAL guys feel like they have someone at the big table. I'm sure it was part of the back room deal to get Heppner the votes.

I would really liked to see someone fresh, but the ALPA system doesn't allow for it. That's not an accident...:mad:

Didn't know you were just referring to L-UAL so I guess it wan't that obvious. Hey, at least we got control of the purse strings ;)

Dave Ernist and Eric Hunter are both stand up dudes.

I am LUAL.

Ask any CAL guy, Earnest is not a good dude. Only person I'm glad to see on that list is Mr Hunter and he's there in a BS split position that will suck away more dues. All around this election proves both ALPA and our pilot groups suck. God forbid we adopt Seniority Block Representation to even out the awesome voting power of the CLE reps (one of whom isn't even based there)...:rolleyes:

Krazy Kravits theory on this...

The MEC Election - So what just happened?

Well, Jay Heppner sold his and Bob Fox’s souls to the CAL side by trading the single vote that Heppner needed for what appears to be only two positions at the MEC level, that of Secretary and Treasurer. Reports indicate that former L-CAL EWR representatives Tara Cook had a big smile on her face shortly after the election. Why could that be?

Could it be that at this very moment the CAL MEC has the votes necessary to recall Heppner and Fox. Much like when Wendy Morse was MEC Chairman and Heppner’s boys had most of the votes to recall her. Now, with the 9 MEC votes that CAL has, plus the votes from Chicago and Seattle, Heppner and Fox are hanging by the good will of the CAL pilots. In fact, if they wanted to, now that they have the votes of SEC and TRES., Heppner and Fox could be recalled tomorrow, or at the end of this month at the regularly scheduled MEC meeting, and a deal could be cut to replace Heppner with someone else, perhaps a United pilot, and the CAL pilots could get MEC Vice Chairman too. Though sources indicate that the CAL MEC wasn’t interested in only that single position at this time. They wanted two seats and Heppner gave it to them.

So where does this leave us? Perhaps Tara was smiling because she knows that Jay Heppner and Bob Fox are now her Beeyatches. When the elections for committee positions occur in a few weeks, if Heppner and Fox don’t acquiesce to CAL’s desires, all CAL has to do is tell SEA and ORD that they can have a new Master Chairman and Vice Chairman. Thus Heppner is now in a seat that was all warmed up by him, a seat that was previously occupied by Chairman Morse.

What do they say ... What goes around comes around?

Yeap, the Morse administration just wont go away peacefully. They accomplished a big FAT ZERO and seem to have a problem with two CAL pilots getting positions.

What this election showed is that the Morse administration and their followers are only interested in power and a leader that they can control.. Because, their last leader MORSE accomplished sooo much, NOT! Then, at this election, they back Paul Rice! Yes, that Paul Rice only wanting to suck at the Alpa teat more...

No, these people, KRAVIT/MORSE and their ILK ORD/SEA have brought the United pilots concessions and failure. The combined United pilots must never forget this...

Did Kravits want the UAL MEC to take over the whole combined MEC?

That is unsat.

The only way any of this changes is if we change our ALPA bylaws to allow membership voting on MEC positions, or we change unions. I don't care which, but if we don't do one or the other, things will NEVER change.

Morse is a complete idiot.
Kravitz is a complete whack job.
Rice is an ALPA national hack.

I don't know anything about JH.

Fine, I'll bite.

I'm sCAL...Dave Earnest and Eric Hunter are stand up guys. I've flown with both, on several occasions, once in the right seat many years ago. They'll do just fine.