Third Quarter 2013
10-26-2013 | 12:30 AM
#23
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When Delta merged with NW, they pretty much threw the Delta playbook to NW and said, welcome to Deltr.
Ucon, said "we are a merger of equals."
I am not going to get into that urinating contest....
So, they decided to spread the pain with taking and giving between both entities so that we ALL had to change our way of doing business by learning new procedures or SOP's. I am not talking just the piloten....
We have a multitude of jobs that have changed not from the UAL or CAL way, but to some b******* procedures in between. Again, I am not just talking of the piloten, talk to your coworkers, listen to the hell they are going through. Not specific to either legacy either.
Our geniuses have allowed change just for the sake of change. Some of this change is to a worse way of doing things than either legacy had pre merger.
Delta made 1.4 B because they saw the value of having employee contracts in place at the outset of their merger and they knew better than to try to change and get rid of the processes of BOTH carriers that were established and improved upon over the decades.
Yes, they changed some things at Delta but the the airline is DELTA.
We are United/Continental holdings. What the hell is that?
Our CASM and revenue problems lie squarely at the heels of those in management who thought they were rocket scientists.
Well, the financial condition of UCH proves otherwise.
This merger was **** up from the out set when they didn't decide to go with one carriers procedures of the others with minor changes.
Anyway, that's my rant after a four day...
Ucon, said "we are a merger of equals."
I am not going to get into that urinating contest....
So, they decided to spread the pain with taking and giving between both entities so that we ALL had to change our way of doing business by learning new procedures or SOP's. I am not talking just the piloten....
We have a multitude of jobs that have changed not from the UAL or CAL way, but to some b******* procedures in between. Again, I am not just talking of the piloten, talk to your coworkers, listen to the hell they are going through. Not specific to either legacy either.
Our geniuses have allowed change just for the sake of change. Some of this change is to a worse way of doing things than either legacy had pre merger.
Delta made 1.4 B because they saw the value of having employee contracts in place at the outset of their merger and they knew better than to try to change and get rid of the processes of BOTH carriers that were established and improved upon over the decades.
Yes, they changed some things at Delta but the the airline is DELTA.
We are United/Continental holdings. What the hell is that?
Our CASM and revenue problems lie squarely at the heels of those in management who thought they were rocket scientists.
Well, the financial condition of UCH proves otherwise.
This merger was **** up from the out set when they didn't decide to go with one carriers procedures of the others with minor changes.
Anyway, that's my rant after a four day...
10-26-2013 | 08:34 AM
#24
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Joined: Jan 2011
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From: A Nobody
Maybe I missed it because I was to lazy to read the whole thread, but the reason behind UAL's loss (yes they lost close to a billion dollars) is the revenue side.
Shares, freight, massive RJs, ignored US domestic revenues, and so many other things you all have identified are the reasons why this management lost a billion dollars in revenues. But, what does this mean to the employees?
Two words, PROFIT SHARING!
Someone do the math and figure how much these lousy managers cost you directly in profit sharing this coming year. Captains can save fuel, not use the APU, Flight attendants can treat each customer like gold and the PA's can get the airplanes out on time, but none of them can generate revenues and that cost all of us tens of thousands of dollars out of profit sharing pockets.
These managers (Jeff's the leader) should be embarrassed and held accountable, but sadly they will still get their bonuses in some warped justification of performance. (Of course some captains can justify burning an extra $2,000 of fuel to make their commute home. Shame on you!)
Oh well this almost billion dollar loss really got to me. Moving on.
Shares, freight, massive RJs, ignored US domestic revenues, and so many other things you all have identified are the reasons why this management lost a billion dollars in revenues. But, what does this mean to the employees?
Two words, PROFIT SHARING!
Someone do the math and figure how much these lousy managers cost you directly in profit sharing this coming year. Captains can save fuel, not use the APU, Flight attendants can treat each customer like gold and the PA's can get the airplanes out on time, but none of them can generate revenues and that cost all of us tens of thousands of dollars out of profit sharing pockets.
These managers (Jeff's the leader) should be embarrassed and held accountable, but sadly they will still get their bonuses in some warped justification of performance. (Of course some captains can justify burning an extra $2,000 of fuel to make their commute home. Shame on you!)
Oh well this almost billion dollar loss really got to me. Moving on.
10-26-2013 | 09:04 AM
#25
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Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 91
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From: 756 FO
Maybe I missed it because I was to lazy to read the whole thread, but the reason behind UAL's loss (yes they lost close to a billion dollars) is the revenue side.
Shares, freight, massive RJs, ignored US domestic revenues, and so many other things you all have identified are the reasons why this management lost a billion dollars in revenues. But, what does this mean to the employees?
Two words, PROFIT SHARING!
Someone do the math and figure how much these lousy managers cost you directly in profit sharing this coming year. Captains can save fuel, not use the APU, Flight attendants can treat each customer like gold and the PA's can get the airplanes out on time, but none of them can generate revenues and that cost all of us tens of thousands of dollars out of profit sharing pockets.
These managers (Jeff's the leader) should be embarrassed and held accountable, but sadly they will still get their bonuses in some warped justification of performance. (Of course some captains can justify burning an extra $2,000 of fuel to make their commute home. Shame on you!)
Oh well this almost billion dollar loss really got to me. Moving on.
Shares, freight, massive RJs, ignored US domestic revenues, and so many other things you all have identified are the reasons why this management lost a billion dollars in revenues. But, what does this mean to the employees?
Two words, PROFIT SHARING!
Someone do the math and figure how much these lousy managers cost you directly in profit sharing this coming year. Captains can save fuel, not use the APU, Flight attendants can treat each customer like gold and the PA's can get the airplanes out on time, but none of them can generate revenues and that cost all of us tens of thousands of dollars out of profit sharing pockets.
These managers (Jeff's the leader) should be embarrassed and held accountable, but sadly they will still get their bonuses in some warped justification of performance. (Of course some captains can justify burning an extra $2,000 of fuel to make their commute home. Shame on you!)
Oh well this almost billion dollar loss really got to me. Moving on.
10-26-2013 | 09:05 AM
#26
Peace Love Understanding
Joined: Nov 2012
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From: Airbus
Adding 2,000 lbs of fuel to a flight will cause another 500 lbs of fuel burn MAX in most airplanes. 500 lbs of fuel is about 73 gallons, which is only about $100 of jet fuel.
So to blow $2,000 on a leg you'd have to add 40,000 pounds of gas, which isn't possible.
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