Goodbye SEA 777 base
 

Displacement bids close Dec. 3rd.

I'm unfamiliar with LUAL bidding, but it sounds like there will not be secondary displacements now. Where these Seattle pilots ask to go will be published and then there will another displacement bid for those seats?

They can go anywhere their seniority can hold, which means systemwide. They can all hold Guppy Captain.

It's done under 8-E of the UPA which of course applies to both l-CAL and l-UAL. In short, yes the pilots being displaced will go wherever their seniority can hold and then the company would have to determine if a surplus/overage/whatever they call it exists after the dust settles. With 12 CAP and 22 FO positions being displaced it shouldn't be to big of a ripple.

You cannot be displaced out of your BES unless you receive a letter informing you of your displacement...like these gentlemen in SEA just received. Depending on where these gents choose to go, there may or may not be a secondary displacement. If there is, there will be letters sent out to the affected pilots in BES, and they will be asked to submit bids. Depending on where those gents go, there may or may not be a tertiary displacement. In any case, you cannot be bumped from your position if your BES is not part of a displacement. Hope that answers your question.

Sled

Sea 777
 

Yeap, to be replaced by sparky, the 7scaby7!

Yes or no depending upon where the pilots bid and the attrition that Manpower "Planning" (cough) expects in those subsequent categories.

Considering the seniority of the entire SEA base , I'd suspect those pilots will end up in fleets/seats where there will be substantial movement from retirements anyway.

IMHO, we can all consider this a warm-up exercise for CLE.

Thanks. No worries until you get a displacement notification.

CLE only has 215 members in the little flying club now. What's that 6-7 months of retirements? I think we are committed there till 2015 but it should not cause too much disruption, except for the RJ types.

Wait till they displace 800 756 pilots and 200+ 747 pilots.

"We will screw them at every opportunity" once said one departed Sr. VP of Flight Ops. This guy left many FRIENDS behind apparently.

It is true that 98% of captains are scabs, but to be fair, 98% of First Officers are not... and the staffing is three FOs to one CA.

There are so many more pilots who are not scabs flying the 787. Call it Sparky if you want, but the other moniker is not accurate. That is why the fences was a BAD idea.

Can any of these folks bid SEA 757/767 or is that not an option?

Yes, they can go to any seat system wide that has a pilot junior to them in that seat. The SEA 777 base was fairly senior. The options are lengthy. I suspect a majority will go to SFO. The captains to either the 747 or 777, the F/O's to the 747,777 as F/O's for a few and 320, 756, or 737 Captain in SFO for some. This is a small amount of bodies. I don't believe it will drive additional bumps as the cost of bumps is greater than letting the list resolve itself with retirements.

You funny man...I love how the guppy was slammed and yet sooooo many senior ass lual types are bidding into it( which is very much a good move on their part)..so when the fence comes down, are you gonna bid the scab wagon?:rolleyes:

The Guppy is slammed because its a lousy plane to earn a living in when compared to the other types on the property. Its got 1950's systems technology with fancy glass. Its horribly uncomfortable and cramped for anyone over 5'9". The jumpseat is flat out heinous. The cabin is toight. These are the issues with it.

However, when you're flying it as a Captain and the fleet gets parked and you get bumped back to the right seat, suddenly it doesn't seem so shabby. Its still a cramped cockpit, but the additional shekels certainly help grease the skids. That's simply human nature. A bologna sandwich for lunch every day would really get old. But, it would smell pretty sweet absent any other food after a few days.

And when you're stuck for years while the black team has guys 10-14 years junior to you flying those guppies out of traditional blue team domiciles, well that will get ones dander up.

If all this is too confusing than I don't know what else to say.
:D

Clear as mud...I like the guppy, but hell, that's all I know:).....scab wagon , guppy, whatever...pay my ass with lots of days off! Period!

Not until it stops catching on fire for at least a few years..

Copy that.

Well, you couldn't tell by all the grippen and grinnin going on in LAX ops around 1100....It looks like a party for the scabs....

Concur with you on the fences but I will live with the ruling....

Get it right boys..Sparky is the Scab Cab.

I like 'Sparky the Scab Wagon' :D

Like! :D....

With its reliability rate suckin, I heard pax are calling it the 7 Late 7.

I kinda like Sparky myself.

I hadn't heard anything negative in a while...is there a dispatch-reliability issue?

It has less then a 40 percent on time departure rate as told to me by a west coast flight mgr.

Goodbye SEA 777 base
 

Game changing, if we're planning on throwing the game. Delta is going to have a record 2 billion in profits (truly amazing accomplishment) flying older planes and zero 787s . Our merger equivalent is the Obama Care Website.

Delta is rocking' it, they've expanded WB flying not only out of SEA to NRT, but also to ICN, and PVG (while UA down gages). I can't wait to see how UA management spins their IT flight ops meltdown when they combine CAL/UAL flight planning systems.

Basically the 787 is the worst airplane ever launched by Boeing.
It has failed in almost all the performance promises made by Boeing and its on-time record is far worse.

Jeff said the 777 had its problems when it was introduce. While the statement is true, it is only partially true. The 777 was the most successful launch of any new Boeing airplane in its history and had no where near the problems of the 787.

One of the big issues with the 787 is every time it lands it has a huge number of EICAS messages which have to be cleared before departure. For some reason when in a foreign land it seems their technicians (we don't call them mechanics any more) have great difficulty clearing these and getting the airplane read for departure.

Of course Jeff S. said the B747-400 was like a typewriter, "it had its day!" at a recent Standards Meeting. I wish the guy would stop talking, he's a national embarrassment.

Then why aren't all the other carriers buying the new 747? There is rumors they are closing the line down. Do you have specific #'s to back up your post that the 787 isn't making the #'s? I heard 787 #'s are ahead of projection! (No proof, just articles I've read) Or is it more of an emotional post?

Wait until he starts spewing excuses for the coming CSS integration meltdown. His IT company with wings is about to split S into the ground.

Oh wait.....back on topic. Closing Seattle, those bastards!

And as such, never had to be rebooted, the ink ribbon lasted practically forever, and if a key jammed the typist just reached in and unjammed it.

Best post of the day!

Oh so true!

Right now the 787 has about a 97% dispatch reliability.

Well done sir!

Sounds Great! You should buy tons of new typewriters and open up a typewriter chain!! I think you could make millions off your new business!! :rolleyes:

It wouldn't make any money as it employs too many people--typists. All that work is now done by us, and we're not paid for it. Like ATMs we are now our own tellers--and we pay them! CAs and FOs took on all the SO duties, for less pay.

"Then why aren't all the other carriers buying the new 747? There is rumors they are closing the line down. Do you have specific #'s to back up your post that the 787 isn't making the #'s? I heard 787 #'s are ahead of projection! (No proof, just articles I've read) Or is it more of an emotional post? "

Answer to #1 - The 747 - 800 is not the airplane for the future because of two simple facts; two extra engines.

Boeing's real replacement for the 747-400 is the 777X, which has all the range and the weight capability.

Question 2 - Are you serious! The 787 was over two years behind schedule, it was supposed to be able to fly IAH - AUK without a fuel stop but can't until the next version is delivered. It has been pulled from ETOPS status twice since it began flying service, multiple on-board fires during testing and service and more.

And production woes are still being figured out. Let's see the wing failed in testing, the tail structure failed...

Really? You actually are proud of the job Boeing has done?

The concept of the 787 is a good one, but Boeing's crack management team not only chose new technology they outsourced their engineering control which has been at the heart of the problems. Will the 787 succeed eventually? Sure it will, just look at the 737, same basic airplane with a lot of improvements since 1968.

FWIW, the issue with IAH-AKL has less to do with range and has everything to do with that big ETOPS 180 hole in the Pacific since Boeing failed to deliver the 787 with ETOPS 330 as originally intended.

It was kinda slick (not in a good way) how Smisek blamed the city of Houston's decision to support SWA's international expansion at HOU as the reason why IAH-AKL would not be UAL's 787 inaugural route when the 787 really couldn't fly it anyway.