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pilot64golfer 01-11-2014 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 1556732)
"If you don't like it, quit".

That's a great answer! The ghost of Glen Tilton is still alive at UAL!:confused:

That attitude is part of the problem. At LUAL the attitude was "If you don't like it, then help make a change that will make it better."

This defeatist attitude is why CALALPA was a mess, the old CAL contract was a mess, and nobody bothered to fix PBS.

Pre-SLI all we heard about from CAL guys were how bad their PBS system was and we should have voted no on the contract to get a new one. Now we are being told that its "not that bad, we just don't understand it". There are already 2 councils that have passed resolutions to vastly improve PBS.

We will change and make it better, but we need everyone on board and willing to help and not just be satisfied with the status quo.

Do you know why I'm upset? Its because I believe that as hard as all of us have worked to become professional pilots, the sacrifices we have made on both the CAL and UAL sides pre-merger to keep our companies going, and that we really do work for the best airline out there, that we deserve to be treated better by management and that the systems that we use to manage our work lives and careers should be USER FRIENDLY and ROBUST and not the messes that they are.

We have all put in too much energy defending our pre-merger self-importance, and that clearly has to end if we are going to fix the problems we have. It starts with a better leader in the CEO position.

We all deserve better. Period.

Really 01-11-2014 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1556746)
That attitude is part of the problem. At LUAL the attitude was "If you don't like it, then help make a change that will make it better." Not you! Your answer for EVERYTHING is blame the CAL guys!!

This defeatist attitude is why CALALPA was a mess, the old CAL contract was a mess, and nobody bothered to fix PBS.

Pre-SLI all we heard about from CAL guys were how bad their PBS system was and we should have voted no on the contract to get a new one. Now we are being told that its "not that bad, we just don't understand it". There are already 2 councils that have passed resolutions to vastly improve PBS.

We will change and make it better, but we need everyone on board and willing to help and not just be satisfied with the status quo.

Do you know why I'm upset? Its because I believe that as hard as all of us have worked to become professional pilotsAgain not you!! with all your divisive comments, the sacrifices we have made on both the CAL and UAL sides pre-merger to keep our companies going, and that we really do work for the best airline out there, that we deserve to be treated better by management and that the systems that we use to manage our work lives and careers should be USER FRIENDLY and ROBUST and not the messes that they are.

We have all put in too much energy defending our pre-merger self-importance, and that clearly has to end if we are going to fix the problems we have. GREAT ADVICE try following it!!It starts with a better leader in the CEO position.

We all deserve better. Period.

I know you will just come back with a "you all are the problem!!":rolleyes:

intrepidcv11 01-11-2014 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1556638)
If you can't look at other pilots schedules, then how do you know if some guy who was junior to you got a trip you should have, or not in the right position in the FIFO queue, or they skipped you to give the trip to someone else, or they gave it to you when someone else should have had it?

Its about enforcing the contract, not spying on other pilots. We aren't talking about their SSN or anything. This is simply looking at corporate scheduling and in no company that I know are employees schedules secret, except maybe CIA or NSA. Most companies post schedules for EVERYONE to see.

Not at CAL. Its all a big mystery.

No its not, but you probably really don't care. I and others have laid out on this board and the other one how to determine what pilot was assigned a trip. It's rather simple actually. Once you determine that you can fight whatever battle you need to some of which I have won.

Rather then read that and learn you would rather blabber on and on about how CAL has wrecked your once perfect jumbonaut career. In my eyes it shows your true motivations for this board. Quite frankly its proof positive that you are one of the forever moaners who will NEVER be content. I rolled my eyes at your ilk at CAL and certainly will at THE U.

pilot64golfer 01-11-2014 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by intrepidcv11 (Post 1556846)
I and others have laid out on this board and the other one how to determine what pilot was assigned a trip. It's rather simple actually.

Its actually not simple. Its a mess.

pilot64golfer 01-11-2014 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by Really (Post 1556776)
I know you will just come back with a "you all are the problem!!":rolleyes:

I don't need to. The answers to my questions and statements that you gave prove what I was saying.

Dave Fitzgerald 01-11-2014 02:41 PM

Part of the change with CCS is it takes multiple pages to do the detective work to figure something out. It looks intentional, and tries to hide what the company is doing. In many cases with our old fortran based UNIMATIC, it was one page and obvious.

Yes it will take time to learn, but you shouldn't have to be a detective to figure out what is going on. Pilots just love to learn new things.

APC225 01-11-2014 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 1556895)
Part of the change with CCS is it takes multiple pages to do the detective work to figure something out. It looks intentional, and tries to hide what the company is doing. In many cases with our old fortran based UNIMATIC, it was one page and obvious.

Yes it will take time to learn, but you shouldn't have to be a detective to figure out what is going on. Pilots just love to learn new things.

I think the problem is that when they overlayed a GUI interface onto an old command-line-driven system it makes you think you're on an advanced system when actually you're just pulling your Mercedes with a couple of horses that are reined to it.

Dave Fitzgerald 01-11-2014 07:40 PM

At least you knew the horses were going to get the job done...

Monkeyfly 01-12-2014 05:00 PM

Pbs q
 
Do the PBS awards ever come out early, (like in the Adopt system) or can we expect them to always come on the last day?

pilotgolfer 01-12-2014 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by Monkeyfly (Post 1557564)
Do the PBS awards ever come out early, (like in the Adopt system) or can we expect them to always come on the last day?


The center column tab labeled CAT Award Reports in PBS is the first place they will start appearing. The captain awards always show up first, followed by the FO awards at the smaller bases, followed by EWR and IAH 737. The captain awards will probably start appearing on the 14th or 15th. The FO bids perhaps late on 16th they will start showing up...but more likely afternoon of 17th.

PBS will still have the red warning letters up there saying access is temporarily disabled blah, blah, but you should be able to find what you need.


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