Yes, the current UPA fell in the lap of JH when Jeff and JP let it go out for ratification. With all the chest thumping, Jeff assumed the CBA would be voted down by the "rank and file" and that would put the final nail in the coffin of the LUAL MEC. Leaving his puppet (JP) to lead the battered group. You forget that JP was delivering for his guys. He went outside the TPA to get his guys 40M ?profit sharing?. Insisting on several things in the CBA that would improve the ISL position of his guys. Helping Jeff delay the CBA/UPA and all along helping with the Captain seat theft for his guys. The list goes on but you get the jest - he was delivering.

The very thing that Jeff and JP didn't count on was the CAL pilots seeing though the smoke and voting along with the LUAL side. For what it was, the CAL guys breaking from JP and company to ratify the CBA deserves more credit than JH. It just fell in JH's lap.

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Won the arbitration and lost the award. The collective group would have been much better off had JH said "Yes, take the money back" if that's the only remedy available. It would have said to Jeff that we have agreements and we expect them to be honored. Jeff didn't want the money taken back anymore than JH or the "rank and file" for that matter. When JH tried to turn the award into gains for the collective group and seek improvements to the just implemented UPA - Jeff said game offer - I win. Think that little battle wasn't important? Look at what's being done to your contract on a daily basis.

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If we ever expect to move forward, we need to demand strong leadership from our appointed leaders. If you think JH is the one, would you share some of the things he's actually done to improve the life of a typical United Pilot? He's been involved in ALPA for years and our leader during one of our most important times - I'd bet that list would be several pages long. Would you share, please!

IIRC, Jay Pierce (****wad arsehole that he is) was openly supportive of passing the TA.

Wendy Morse seeming misread the LCAL sides intentions and strategy. It wasn't until the spring of 2012 that pressure was REALLY put on the LCAL side to move the ball forward. I have nothing against Wendy Morse, but she misplayed the relationship between the two MECs and we suffered at the hands of Jay Pierce for too long as a result.

I agree with the Wendy part but if JP supported the TA it was for appearance and due diligence not because it was the right thing to do.

You're probably right about that. Pierce should never be trusted.

You know whats ironic HOPE, this whole post and your life mission as Staller and whoever else you pretend to be, you and AXLF16 rail on JP!! Yet, you give him credit (see above) on how EFFECTIVE he was for the pilots he REPRESENTED at the time (LCAL)!! Now you say get rid of JH and put somebody in office that can get something done for the pilot group they represent!! Sounds to me like you're screaming for JP to come back and get things done!! :eek:

NO - you read something into that. JP was only effective because he was Jeff's puppet. It only appeared that JP was effective but it was still Jeff's show to upstage the UAL MEC and control the new UAL MEC through JP. The POS known as JP will never float to the top again.

Ok, "Hope", I'm dying to know...Who are you and what is your motivation here. Are you are a mid 90's LUAL hire like many of us here? From your "way out in left field" posts it wouldn't surprise me if you were an angry furloughee, LCAL pilot, or JP himself. It's obvious that you hate JH with a passion. He's no messiah IMO either. So, who do you think would do or would have done a better job? Earn some credibility here...Enlighten us....

This thread is full of emotions and to me seems to leave a few things out....
The company will always seek to operate at lower cost/less restrictive when two employee groups with different contracts are involved. Thus the build up of the CAL side at the expense of the UAL pilots pre UPA. To submit that JP and Jeff were in cahoots is pretty naive.
Pre SLI/UPA it was JP's task to represent the CAL pilots, not a future combined pilot group.
JH recognized the importance of completing and getting a new joint contract to stop the whipsawing of the two pilot groups. If there could have been more gold at the end of the rainbow is something we'll never know.
As a Capt. with 15 years+ to go I am glad that we have a contract that will be the foundation for a joint UAL pilot group that we can improve on substantially at the next cycle.

Not looking for credibility, don't hate anybody and feel that my post are fair. I may not be politically correct and I still distrust most CAL people but I hold no malice. I spoke against JP because of what he did to both pilot groups during the merger process and the ultimate cost to the pilots. JH served as a whipping boy but outlasted JP. You would have thought JH would lead once appointed to represent all United pilots but he failed and failed miserably. If the only relieve he could have gotten for the PS grievance was to have the company go get the money, he should have asked for it. The company knows he's weak and the United pilots will continue to lose as long as he holds the MC position. He needs to do the right thing and step to the side.

"I spoke against JP because of what he did to both pilot groups during the merger process and the ultimate cost to the pilots"

.....That statement I WILL agree with you on! The rest, not so much. What year were you hired at UAL?