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Seggy 05-14-2014 10:56 AM

Nah, I should have looked there FIRST and then post this....

I read over Section 8-E. A few things...

A) It sounds expensive to displace. As it should be.

B) I couldn't find anything concerning vacation in 8-E or Section 11. Does this mean they can't change it?

cadetdrivr 05-14-2014 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by Seggy (Post 1643032)
I read over Section 8-E. A few things...

A) It sounds expensive to displace. As it should be.

Yup.


Originally Posted by Seggy (Post 1643032)
B) I couldn't find anything concerning vacation in 8-E or Section 11. Does this mean they can't change it?

Anytime you change your base, equipment, or seat you lose your previously awarded vacation if it is scheduled after your activation date. The time simply gets credited back to your bank for use in monthly vacation bidding for the remainder of the vacation year.

Seggy 05-14-2014 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 1643043)
Yup.

Which brings me to my next point. With the amount of 737 guys commuting to EWR and IAH, if DEN, ORD, IAD, LAX, and/or SFO opens up, will they really need to displace that much or at all, or will guys be jumping over each other to get into those bases?


Anytime you change your base, equipment, or seat you lose your previously awarded vacation if it is scheduled after your activation date. The time simply gets credited back to your bank for use in monthly vacation bidding for the remainder of the vacation year.
Thank you!

IADBLRJ41 05-14-2014 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by JetBlast77 (Post 1642980)
From what ive heard "right sizing" the bases means right sizing the equipment in each base. Instead of having a huge 320 base in ORD, DEN, and IAD and a huge 737 base in EWR and IAH, they want to "right size" these bases. They want to spread the 737s out system wide as the 320 is. In other words, grow the old 320 bases with the 73, and grow the old 73 bases with the 320. Thats what I heard but who knows.


I think you might be right with the last vacancy there were plenty of 320FO's that bid to the 756 and 76T with no backfill in the 320's. Kinda heard the same thing too about the 737's right sizing but that was also in 4th Q of last year.

CleCapt 05-15-2014 03:59 PM

If you are displaced, I believe you keep your vacation

CRM114 05-15-2014 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by CleCapt (Post 1644069)
If you are displaced, I believe you keep your vacation


11-F-5 and/or 11-F-6 apply, to paraphrase: If you get bumped and require training the company can cancel your vacation. If you get bumped and do not require training, you might be able to keep your vacation, restrictions apply.

Free Flyer 05-16-2014 12:16 AM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1642843)
Let the games (displacements) begin!!

I have a hard time believing that they will displace due to the expense of it all, especially with all of the training back logged as it is now.

However, with the new rig feature coming up this fall, I believe that this will cure the issue with all of the 4 day pairings.

jsled 05-17-2014 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by Free Flyer (Post 1644246)
I have a hard time believing that they will displace due to the expense of it all, especially with all of the training back logged as it is now.

However, with the new rig feature coming up this fall, I believe that this will cure the issue with all of the 4 day pairings.

37 jets going away? There will be displacements. Bank on it.

Free Flyer 05-18-2014 06:15 PM

At the rate that we are getting 737 replacements, I don't see it being a big issue with us losing 37 757's. The 757's aren't going away overnight.

But I'm not worried about it. I didn't want to be a 737 Capt even though I could hold it. I know that you are excited about the possibility of displacements as are most long term L-UAL First Officers. Patience, you'll get that left seat soon with the amount of retirements.

jsled 05-18-2014 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by Free Flyer (Post 1646414)
At the rate that we are getting 737 replacements, I don't see it being a big issue with us losing 37 757's. The 757's aren't going away overnight.

But I'm not worried about it. I didn't want to be a 737 Capt even though I could hold it. I know that you are excited about the possibility of displacements as are most long term L-UAL First Officers. Patience, you'll get that left seat soon with the amount of retirements.

I've been a guppy captain and a 777 F/O, it's all good.
37 - 57s are gone just in 2014. Many more next year. Guys don't have to bid off em without a displacement. It's just business. Most guys in Denver are sitting tight. No displacements? No problem. There's always home improvement projects or lake/mountain time on 73 hours pay...talk about expense! Watch and see...there will be bumps.


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