Wadr, how is the pilot, 9000+ seniority going to get a capt bid? The only current way is through the 92 day window for training. Those are few and far between.

This was a seniority list integration not an active pilot integration. I know you guys will not agree, but hopefully we can move on

Mitch is both right and wrong.

Without the SLI the LUAL pilots would be dying a slow and painful death as management retired those airplanes. And yes those 2005 captains would be gloating about it.

However Mitch is wrong in that without the merger there never would have been 2005 captains at all. No merger, no financing therefore no new airplanes.

Dude it's a dance and you're not the lead.

Personally I'm starting to wonder if choosing Jeff over Parker was a good idea?

BS, BS, BS.

Mitch.

IF UAL furloughs guys next year who were hired by CAL in 2011 or so....and IF those guys were 25-30 years old at DOH, do you think they would have a future at UAL absent a total liquidation?

If you were one of those guys, would you expect your union to save YOU a slot on the seniority list as the company recovered and retirements continued? Would you feel as though you owned that position on the list? Of course you would. And if you had flown for years at UA prior to your furlough, would you expect us to simply say..."ah, that no longer counts". Of course you wouldn't.

Please spare us the ad hominem crap and consider the manner with which ALPA has typically protected furloughed pilots and consider the explanation issued by the neutrals when the SLI list when released.

Too late! No backsies!

"Barely hanging on before the merger." "Barely hold RSV on your smallest plane." Again Mitch, since UAL had pulled ahead of CAL in operational and financial performance in the period leading up to the merger, I guess you could characterize the junior CAL pilots as having slid off the rock if you say that ours were "BARELY" holding on.

I hope you aren't a former RJ pilot that got your job as mainline pilots were being shown the door. I don't fault those that did and harbor no ill will towards them at all. That's life. But for those that later went to CAL turning around and having the nerve to complain about a furloughed (and most likely much older pilot) getting some credit for his years of service is disgusting. It is the thing I wonder about each time I see a young slick tie go walking by. Hopefully that doesn't describe you.

Senora,

Thanks so much for the kind words and compliment. You are also a thoughtful and solid poster. If we bump in to each other first beer is on me! Also, I agree with everything you posted above. Never do anything fatigued. Usually it will harm you or potentially could harm you.

I had started to explain in another post but deleted it because I felt that I was divulging too much information and the identify of the pilot could be jeopardized, which I didn't want.

The person in question used two fatigue calls. On the outside it seems like two days of training where made. The short is that the person called in fatigue the next to last day of his sims and was rolling into several days off (poor scheduling and not his fault). However, he called in fatigued the next to last day and said he couldn't do the next day either. Scratch two events, go into 6 days off and the ripple effect was greater than is seems. This was when scheduling was identifying those who were well behind and who was going home for a month to "catch up." He second fatigue call was the last two days of sims. The kicker was that we was working out in the gym when he made the sick call. There were witnesses (even another instructor in the gym) to this while he did it and then continued his workout. He was hoping to get the 30 days or more off to push him to exceed the 90 days.

Scheduling identified those who needed to continue and he was one of them. They repaired his schedule and his extra three weeks of strategic time off and had him completing within the acceptable time. It is alleged he was very angry at this and then told many (instructors too) that he was going to call in sick for his next block of days. Fortunately, he was persuaded by partner and others to not do this since he had been so vocal to too many people that it would not have been a good idea.

That's the jest of it. Very extreme case and it shocked a lot. I believe that this is an outlier and not the norm at all and it doesn't matter if it was north or south. It was just wrong in my opinion.

I hope this explains some of my comments?

Sure does...what a tool. Wish he did call in sick and let Darwin do his work so some could get a bump one number.

Flyby,

Thanks for the kind words as well. Threads like this are unproductive at best, and ones I hope we can try to steer clear off.

I think both of us are fully aware there are times when pilot's actions have been tempered by their extreme frustration over other events. Far be it for any of us to do the companies dirty work in pointing these individual situations out; rather I think can both agree that the real issues that need to be addressed are the anger, disgust, and complete lack of trust our pilots are experiencing.

The seniority imbalance will equalize one way or the other, lets try and keep our long term pilot unity goals in mind when considering any short term divisive actions.

Once again thanks for providing some of the best post, and most helpful info on this Forum!

V/R

SP

Sp,

Great post. Spot on and well done. I wish I could have said that.

On to remembering and honoring those who paid the price for our freedom!

Very well said sir!

To all the HEROES who did not come home with us, you will never be forgotten; you will always have our deepest respect for your sacrifice and service, and our hearts go out to your family and friends on this day… :(

SP